Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Wagner (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Kurt Wagner (musician)
AfDs for this article: 

no established notability. Extremely promotional in nature and should not be confused with the 2 other Kurt Wagners (the somewhat established German actor or the well referenced comic book character) Daviddavey (talk) 00:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment "Kurt Wagner (fl. c. 2000) is an American musician, and the singer and songwriter of the Nashville-based alternative-country band Lambchop". That is the only sentence of the main body of the article, and it does not seem promotional in nature to me, extreme or otherwise.  I believe the article meets WP:NPOV standards.  Daviddavey, why do you think the article is "extremely promotional in nature"?  OpenSeven (talk) 01:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep WP:MUSIC states:

"A musician...is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:

1) It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician...itself and reliable."

I believe Kurt Wagner statisfies WP:MUSIC, since I have found multiple published works whose source is independent from the musician...itself and reliable, in which Wagner is the subject and is receiving non-trivial coverage:

(Washington Post article)      

Plus, I do not believe the article is promotional in nature at all, and I am convinced the article meets WP:NPOV standards.

OpenSeven (talk) 01:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the sources. However, the page as is offers nothing.  It reads entirely promotional and is a disservice to Wikipedia, nor does it meet any guidelines (as is).  Perhaps provide some biographical data and I'll find a way to include the above links.  As it stands, the article should currently be deleted unless it is changed.  --Daviddavey (talk) 03:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:RUBBISH clearly states that unless there's unsourced negative information in the article, the fact it is currently poorly written is not a valid reason for deletion. - Mgm|(talk) 10:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment If the article were extremely promotional in nature, it would read something like "Kurt Wagner is the most talented musician of all time, and his music is the greatest thing since sliced bread". Instead, the only line of the main body is "Kurt Wagner (fl. c. 2000) is an American musician, and the singer and songwriter of the Nashville-based alternative-country band Lambchop".  That is a very neutral sentence, as it is stating a fact with bias.  Daviddavey, how could you state that he is an American musician, and the singer and songwriter of Lambchop, in any more of a neutral way?  As for the discography, it also meets WP:NPOV standards, as it is simply stating some of the music he has been behind, without bias.  The article is in need of expansion, but it clearly meets WP:MUSIC and WP:NPOV guidelines.  OpenSeven (talk) 09:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article is certainly in need of expansion, but the sources adduced by OpenSeven (particularly WaPo and NPR) and the discography at Lambchop (band) clearly establish notability per WP:MUSIC. Deor (talk) 02:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep passes WP:MUSIC easily. I have noooooooo idea how the nom thinks this is promotional in nature, but hey! The fact he's been here for only 20 days and has taken part in little else from AfD's could say something.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 08:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes WP:MUSIC. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 21:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep passes many criteria of WP:N. Agreed, the article requires expansion. And people, AGF, please... sparkl!sm hey! 01:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


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