Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kusoh no Kikai-tachi no Naka no Hakai no Hatsumei


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Unlikely search term; pointless to redirect. "Merging" can be done directly from IMDb, of which it was mostly a copyvio anyway. Sandstein 22:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Kusoh no Kikai-tachi no Naka no Hakai no Hatsumei

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A film that has been shown only in one museum in Japan. Is that a claim to notability? Google hits in the double digits for both English and Japanese titles (which might not mean a thing of course, but other than the IMDb link the article is unsourced). ~ trialsanderrors 12:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions.   -- Neier 13:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - Short films by animation companies shown only in their parks/museums seem to be plentiful on Wikipedia (Captain EO, The Timekeeper, and others) but, that is not enough justification to keep this article. I have added the kanji to the article, of which google hits around 200 articles.   The Japanese wikipedia template for Ghibli (ja:Template:スタジオジブリ・宮崎駿) shows a similarly named short film (Imaginary Flying Machines (空想の空飛ぶ機械達)), (and presumably also only shown at the Ghibli museum), which has a Japanese article.  That template seems very thorough, and has red links for a couple of shorts, but no mention of this movie at all.  The lack of a Ja: article for this one short film is what tips the balance to delete in my opinion.  If it can be determined that those two are the same film, my vote will change. Neier 13:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed the strength of my vote based on the comments below. Neier 08:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect since Anno was not originally linked, I didn't know he had an article to merge to. It makes sense to mention this film in his article.  I think I am done changing my votes, now. Neier 03:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Informed comments, weak keep. I live a stone's throw from the Ghibli museum and have been there.  On any particular day they are showing one short film exclusive to the museum, all of them the works of the very famous Hayao Miyazaki (Nausica, Spirited Away, Laputa, The Monster Princess).  I have seen one, called Mei to Koneko no Basu (Mei and the little cat bus).  It kicked ass.  But since they are only shown at the museum, they are not terribly famous even here in West Tokyo.  Most Japanese in Tokyo (to say nothing of elsewhere) are unaware that they exist at all (though many have heard of the museum).  I am voting weak keep because there are no POV issues or anything like that, and it seems a shame to delete such a harmless article about one of these really great short films.  But... to be honest, it is not really notable.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drake Dun (talk • contribs) 17:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Factual details, reluctant delete. Okay, I read Japanese so I did some digging around upon the suggestion of Neiei (below) and I found a description of the film at http://www.ne.jp/asahi/bibliotheca/studium/animonth/animonth-0212.html.  This *is* the correct title of the film.  The film was made by a guy associated only peripherally with Studio Ghibli and is not ordinary Studio Ghibli type work (he describes it as "dark").  It did not show in the theater at the Ghibli Museum, but in a "film box" in the corner of a room they have on the second floor devoted to temporary exhibits.  I have been there and am not sure exactly what he is referring to with "film box", but the museum has a lot of anachronistic devices, including boxes you can look into and watch films on by running the frames yourself using a hand crank.  It may be to one of these that the guy is referring.  He complains about wanting to watch it on a bigger screen.  The article is from 2002, so given the fact that the film was shown in the room for limited time exhibits, it is almost definitely gone now.  It was not there when I went in 2006.  Considering that the notability of even the main films in the star theater is rather dubious, I think this clearly fails the criteria for notability.. so I must reluctantly vote delete. Drake Dun 07:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't mind keeping if the article can create a little bit more context (and can be sourced). Right now it's just a bare rewrite of the IMDb entry. ~ trialsanderrors 19:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Mei, and the other shorts are listed in the Japanese template I posted above. I highly suspect that this movie is a mistranslated title of the other one, because IMDB's Ghibli page lists all of the other shorts except "Imaginary Flying Machines", and the Ja: template lists all but this one.  If they are the same, then, the article can be expanded via translation from the Ja: wikipedia, if nothing else.  But, based on the paucity of info on this and the IMDB page about it, I can't see for sure that it is the same.  Someone with better Japanese than me may be able to take one of the google matches for this title and dredge up more detail. Neier 21:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable film with apparently no published reviews, shown only at one place. Edison 20:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Article could be improved.-- C  J   King  21:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Hideaki Anno. The director is notable and his article discusses many of the projects he's been involved in, but leaves this one out. I agree that this can't stand alone and that the Studio Ghibli viewings don't confer notability here, but I think some information can be retained. (Also, note that the current phrasing seems to plaigiarize the IMDb page.) Dekimasu 09:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per above Yeanold Viskersenn 01:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There is only one, very poor "keep" comment remaining above. The others have been retracted.  --Kunzite 18:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete　A film produced as part of a museum exhibit is not really something that meets notability criteria. Museums, aquariums, zoos, libraries, and theme parks produce these things all of the time.  Even though the Film notability guidelines are inactive, it misses all of the critera.  IMDB is a place that accepts submissions from anyone around the world.  I've seen stage shows get erroneously listed as movies.  We should not accept them as a reliable source for information.  Now, it may be perfectly good material to flesh out the author's biogrpahy.   "「天空の城ラピュタと空想科学の機械達展」でこぢんまりと映像展示されていたもの. こぢんまりし過ぎです. どうしてミニシアターでやってくれないのでしょうか. かなりアニメしてるのに. 内容に関しては、『空想の空とぶ機械達』が濃かっただけに、かなり普通っぽく思えてしまいます. 展示全体の中では良いアクセントになってはいますが. "   --Kunzite 18:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. I'm assuming that this is really a vote to redirect, then. I am not sure why we would be willfully discarding a useful redirect here. Dekimasu 12:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Edison... Addhoc 23:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete nn redirect to Director's page. Nashville Monkey 22:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.