Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya contributions to Indian railways


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The result was   delete. Incredibly lengthy and detailed article, but essentially unsourced OR. "Keep" arguments (and votes) didn't actually refer to policy. Jayjg (talk) 22:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya contributions to Indian railways

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Very extensive article on the contributions of an ethnic group to the construction of Indian railways. However it is entirely unsourced and seems to be entirely OR. If this was published in some other form elsewhere - possibly we could accept it via Donating copyrighted materials ?? Travelbird (talk) 07:22, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * They had the monopoly on the railway construction industry for around a hundred years. The material is from various sources listed on the main Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya page which I need to spend another 2 or 3 hours on before I can finish it for the GOCE drive. At that point I will turn to adding the refs from there tomorrow after a little sleeping as it is 07:30 here lol - unless someone else can do it. It seems a shame to waste the material which is basically a detailed history of the construction of the Indian railways. Chaosdruid (talk) 07:34, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I hadn't realized that you were copying the material from elsewhere on Wikipedia. If sources/refs are added within the next week then this AfD will just be closed as "keep" and that'll be the end of the matter. Travelbird (talk) 07:40, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem - my edit summary on the page creation did say "moved from Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya page" to try and ensure the new page patrollers would realise that very point lol :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 07:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per my conversation with Chaosdruid here. While we are at it, I think we should also tackle the other three articles on the same topic out there. These all appear to be dumps of the same books and on the same topic under multiple titles. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:48, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The article has a lot of potential, has refs. and biblio., more importantly work on improvement can be, and is being, done. The inline refs necessary are available, although the main writer has just gone into hospital for surgery and it may be a few weeks before the inlines can be made from the biblio., they merely require page numbers specific to the listed work from those books. I am sure that after a few weeks the consensus would be to keep and add cn's etc. where necessary. The other articles are a different matter and should not really reflect on this one. Kadia kshatriyas are an overview of the community, with the Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya being the Gujar region group, the Mistri or Mistry being a supervisor/foreman/ganger level the page Mistri (caste) is a little strange, as are a lot of the Indian articles, as it seems to be claiming to be an ethnic group. Chaosdruid (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * KEEP. The article is in fact a detailed chornological history of development of Railways in British India, in which the major contributions are from this KGK Community.

I have also been one of the other major Contributor to this page apart from the creator of Page ( who as per talk with Chaodruid has informed that he is in for a surgery ). However, I am well aware of the Subject ( KGK ) and most of the book written about them over the century are written in Gujarati language. The article had been created with many pains ( taking translations from books ) (1) Nanji Bapa ni Nondh-pothi (1999) published in Gujrati. (2) Ratna Bhagat ni Chopdi : 1930 ( 1st & 2nd editions) (3) Kutch Tari Asmita : K. K Chauhan (1925). (4) Experts from Encyclopaedia of Bengal, Bihar & Orissa ( sub section : People from the region ) : 1920 & 1924-25. (5) Shree Kutch Gurjar Kshatriya Samaj : A brief History & Glory of our fore-fathers (2007) (6) Diary of Golden Days at Jharia – A Memoir & History of Gurjar Kashtriya Samaj of Kutch in Coalfields of Jharia – written by Natwarlal Devram Jethwa of Calcutta (1998). Please note that the book Nanji Bapa ni nondh pothi was awarded prestigious Kutch Shakti Award in 2000. This Award is given by a penal of eminent jurist for the works or to persons from Kutch after lot of debate & research. Google search result of Kutch Shakti Award. Further if you go here, in one of the PDF, you can find the list of Contractor published in a book from 1896 AD, when the persons who have done these railway contracts were alive & kicking. However, all these books are in Gujarati and one needs a translator. Whenever, I have added info to the article in past, it is with help from some translator. As far as in line citations are to given, it is a huge work, and one again needs to sit with some translator to add them. However, there is no need to delete such an important article. Also here is Search reult of Rai Bahadur Jagmal Raja, and Khora Ramji , two eminent Contractor of their community. I am giving this ref. because one person has argued that this article seems to dump of same books.

Also as far as pages Mistri (caste) and Kadia Kshatriya are involved. I feel they are being unnecessarily dragged in to debate here. If someone feels those pages are not worthy, they can start a debate separately.

I vote for article as KEEP. Thank you Hardyraj (talk) 23:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The article is substantial and can be (as it should be) sourced. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


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