Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kuznetsov Nikolay Alexeyevich


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The result was   no consensus. Courcelles 01:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Kuznetsov Nikolay Alexeyevich

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Subject appears to fail criteria at WP:BIO. According to the article, the subject was a pilot for the Russian army, but there is nothing notable in the article that differentiates that subject from the hundreds of thousands of other members of the military. Article is mostly original research; no sources could be located about the subject (at least in English) and the article's two listed sources in Russian do not appear to be reliable, third-party sources. – Dream out loud (talk) 23:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions.  — frankie (talk) 16:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — frankie (talk) 16:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  — frankie (talk) 16:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep for time being. np.kz is a reliable source as is vecher.kz, it's in the Russian language, and that doesn't prevent articles being based upon them. --Russavia Let's dialogue 16:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. It would be helpful if the nominator could explain why those sources should not be considered reliable. They appear to be from publications with editorial control, rather than self-published sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:57, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources were not the main issue. I don't read Russian, so I basically just said that they don't appear to be reliable, but if others disagree, then that's ok.   However, for some reason, one of the two sources were deleted.  It seems like mostly original research, as I doubt that all the information came from that one source.   The main issue is that I don't see how the subject is notable as a person.  Millions and millions of people have been in the military and obviously they don't all get articles.  But from reading through this article, all I got was that this man grew up taking care of his family, became a pilot during WWII, then started a family of his own.  Some of the prose doesn't even have anything to do with the subject.  For example, the second paragraph of the "Career" section is more of a background about the war conflict and the pilots fighting at the time. Nothing of Kuznetsov is even mentioned except that "he had to face many problems and overcome bureaucratic hurdles" and that people worked "[u]nder Kuznetsov’s leadership".  I just can't find any notability in the subject.  If this would remain as an article, would anything even link here?  Maybe the subject is notable in some way, but right now the article isn't showing me that. – Dream out loud  (talk) 04:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - This seems to have been more or less pulled over from Russian WP. THE BEST SOURCE at Russkiipedia is a biographical portrait. The guy is wearing two Hero of Socialist Labor medals, so he was either one of Brezhnev's fishing buddies or a high-ranking figure in the Soviet military establishment. Sourcing is imperfect and this needs a major edit, to be sure. Carrite (talk) 05:32, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Can we find a second source for this bio? We obviously need more than just one. – Dream out loud  (talk) 23:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
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