Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kwai Nyu Rugby Club


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was DELETE. -Docg 11:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Kwai Nyu Rugby Club

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Prep High School rugby team. Only source is primary. Google search comes up with wiki, wiki mirrors, and youtube. ccwaters 03:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong delete High-school sports team. Surely could have been speedied as a A7/nn-group. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * rugby team with rich history, part of saint louis priory school, no reason it should be deleted; various people keep adding themselves to the list of players, and make them sound like the best players in the world; i will ask them to stop if it is absolutley necessary —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.150.181.111 (talk) 23:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
 * Comment See also Articles for deletion/Jeromans of the same school. ccwaters 12:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per lack of notability. -- lucasbfr talk 13:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * DO NOT DELETE Please do not delete this article. It has been on Wikipedia for over a year now, and has been heavily used.  Do look up the team on Google, Answers.com, etc.  The team is especially significant as a landmark in the history of Missouri rugby, and its tournament has deep historical roots as well.  The team itself has a fascinating history, and its web site is extremely helpful for teaching rugby.  As the article in Wikipedia has been up for a year now, some users have grown rather dependent on it.  I would deeply appreciate your reconsidering this recommendation.

Fr. Augustine Wetta, O.S.B. KwaiNyu 21:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC) Saint Louis Abbey

If I may add one further thought...the Wikipedia policy, as I understand it, is only to recommend articles for deletion that have been "RECENTLY ADDED." Since this particular article has been around for so long, modified and expanded so many times, and used by so many, I question whether it even qualifies for deletion.

Respectfully submitted,

Fr. Augustine Wetta, O.S.B.KwaiNyu 21:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Nowhere in the page on the Articles for deletion process does it say that only recently created articles can be nominated. The fact that it has been on Wikipedia for over a year also has no bearing on this; arguments for keeping should establish notability using reliable sources and not focus on the article's age or how useful the team's website is. Veinor (talk to me) 22:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Point taken. But doesn't its long-standing status (and the fact that it has been modified/expanded over 500 times) suggest that it might be a helpful article to some? I might also add that this particular team was the first junior rugby team established in Missouri and is one of only three teams in the world that bears the coat of arms of Westminster Abbey. As such, it may be considered to have historical significance. Also, in case the term "club" is putting anyone off, all rugby "teams" are referred to as "clubs." KwaiNyu 12:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Its long standing status just means no one noticed it until now. Nothing links to it except the school . I happened to bump into it when someone created the another article for the school's frisbee team. ccwaters 13:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment The so-called "Jeromans" is a team of no historical or cultural significance whatsoever. I don't know what their arguments may be for writing such an article, but it can (and has been) argued that the Kwai Nyu Rugby Team is a cultural, athletic, and historical landmark, especially for people interested in the history of rugby in North America.  Note also that a search for "Priory Rugby" will yield more information and external sources conserning the team KwaiNyu


 * DO NOT DELETE I have used this article many times to research the history of Saint Louis Priory School's Rugby Team. It has helped my personal growth and education and increased my knowledge of competetive high school rugby teams. I have sent links to it out to colleagues referencing it, and I have quoted it in coversation. In brief, it has achieved exactly what Wikipedia articles are meant to, and should remain as an integral part of the Wikipedia system.

Respectfully submitted, Jon M. Tottleben Bronx-Lebanon Hospital
 * Comment Please base reasons off of Wikipedia policies and guidelines; usefulness is not a good reason to keep an article. Veinor (talk to me) 17:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Since "notable" is defined as " "worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice". [It is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance". Please consider notable and demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education...] The fact that over a dozen junior league teams now exist in Missouri due to the efforts of the Priory Rugby Club, I hope this would qualify it as having had a demonstrable effect on athletics and education (granted, ony on a regiona level).  Does this help?  I don't mean to be pushy, but I'd like to see the article stick around (not a reason for keeping it around, obviously, but at leas it explains my motivation...)KwaiNyu
 * Comment Very well. At least one published literary source mentions the Priory Rugby Club by name as the oldest and most accomplished junior rugby team in Missouri (see "In Good Soil": http://www.amazon.com/Good-Soil-Founding-Priory-1954-1973/dp/0966210417/ref=sr_1_1/002-8021912-0026420?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178681222&sr=1-1''
 * The definition of 'notable' Wikipedia uses has a more precise definition; see Notability, specifically, the notability criteria for organizations. Veinor (talk to me) 04:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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