Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kwangwoon Electronic Technical High School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. v/r - TP 16:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Kwangwoon Electronic Technical High School

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Notability unclear. Cannot find any English language references for the school. No interwiki. NickCT (talk) 15:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note from Nominator - Monty  845  opposed my speedy deletion article.  He explains that Criteria A7 does not apply to schools. While the notability guidelines do technically apply, High schools are generally not deleted at AfD, as most high schools are at least minimally notable (see here).  I can't imagine this is really true.  Is there any policy which supports that? Surely there are non-notable high schools out there.  I'm finding it tough to immediately verify this place is even real. NickCT (talk) 15:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * See Notability (high schools) for an essay explaining why it is rare for a high school article to be deleted under the notability guidelines. Monty  845  16:00, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  — Monty  845  16:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 18:59, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep (edited to add" given reliable sourcing to verify the existence and enrollment") Countless AFDs have established a de fact notability for high schools, at least for large ones such as this. The exception might be home schools or tiny unknown private schools. Verifiability is the only practical requirement. Notability guidelines should be descriptions of the practice at AFDs, where the community has !voted in favor of high schools being notable. There is a lot of institutional inertia and "ownership" in some guidelines, resulting in the confusion expressed by the nominator with not seeing notability of high schools codified. Guideline talk pages often have a very small number of editors not agreeing with the consensus of the many, and resistant to changing or adding to guidelines to make them an accurate descripotion of practice. Edison (talk) 20:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, how to you know this is a "large" school? NickCT (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, my concern is to exclude tiny random faux high schools,  such as a home school with 4 students taught by their Mom, or a private school in the church basement with 6 students from 2 families taught by the Pastor or a volunteer. This school has over 1100 attendance, per the infobox, although a reliable source should be included to verify that; certainly not the largest school in the world, but not a tiny faux school either. English language sources are not that great, per Google:.  A Wikipedia biography, not a reliable source by our own standards, says that an individual Edison (talk) 02:58, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * re  per the infobox, although a reliable source should be included to verify that; - That's really my main concern. I'm finding this place difficult to even to verify.  If we could find even 1 solid RS, I'd feel significantly better about the article. NickCT (talk) 06:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - experience shows that high schools meet WP:GNG with sufficient research. We need to avoid systemic bias by allowing ample time for local sources to be researched. TerriersFan (talk) 16:51, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Exists and has some minor coverage about it in Korean. Homepage. News report (from YTN) about an open house they held. Another news report about their building being borrowed to host the national tax accountancy exam this year. But NickCT is hardly at fault for being suspicious about this article as it stood at the time of nomination, since there's nothing reliable in English even verifying that the place exists, and the creator could not be bothered to include the Korean name. cab (call) 03:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note from Nominator - Ok... Well, seeing the developing consensus, I'm feeling a little more neutral about this. Still feel a little awkward that this place is so difficult to verify and yet we're willing to keep it.  That said, I wouldn't oppose a "close as keep" at this point. Thanks to CaliforniaAliBaba for some good researching, and for acknowledging that I had a point. NickCT (talk) 04:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment It was fine to nominate it. Just tagging it "references needed" has rarely moved anyone to start looking for and adding references from foreign language sources. Isn't there a Wiki page or project which can translate things? Could they be asked to find references in a case such as this? As an exercise, I tried Google translating the name of the school into Korean, and lots of Korean websites popped up, but Google translating them back into English showed that they were cases where any of the words in the name appeared in the website. I'm not sure if putting quotes around the name of the school and Google translating that would prevent the extraneous search results. It would be very easy to pick a more obscure language and invent a high school, licensed broadcast station, legislator, or professional sports player (all of which seem to get de facto notability in AFD) with some invented offline print references, or with cites of things not proved by foreign language references. A since-banned editor made wild claims from Hungarian sources for Anyos Jedlik's invention of the Electric motor, for instance, and there may be still some excessive claims in the articles. Edison (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG. I'll not deny that most high schools reach the threshold notability, but we still delete articles that don't have references, and this one doesn't. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:39, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable high school. Keb25 (talk) 06:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.