Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyle Davey (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Davewild (talk) 07:02, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Kyle Davey
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The subject does not appear to meet either the athlete notability guidelines or the general notability guidelines. There is insufficient coverage on the subject, which makes verifiability of the article difficult. The sources currently used in the article are either dead links or do not support the material presented within the article. I do not believe that the article has addressed the concerns that were raised in the previous deletion discussion. Mike V •  Talk  19:09, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment - Can you explain why you are citing notability for athletes in the nomination when the guy is a ballet dancer and choreographer? -- Whpq (talk) 16:22, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. The guidelines cover any individual who can be considered as a sportsperson, defined as an individual who "is trained to compete in a sport involving physical strength, speed or endurance". My impression of the notability guidelines is that the basic criteria applies to all individuals who fit under this definition, while the "professional sports persons" subsection provides more tailored requirements for individual sports. Mike V  •  Talk  16:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * When did ballet become a sport? -- Whpq (talk) 17:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If you mean when did formal competitions begin (aside from auditions), they date to at least the mid-20th century, although the current leading competitions (YAGP, WBC, IBC) were formed in the last couple decades. Reality television dance competitions (e.g. So You Think You Can Dance, for which Davey performed) probably boosted the popularity of ballet as a defeat-your-rivals sport, and pop dance movies often focus on the vanquishing of enemies through dance. The trend in competitions has been to downplay artistry, modeling them after Olympic sports like gymnastics or figure skating, where athletes jump through various hoops (figuratively) for most of the points on a 100-point scale. ––Agyle (talk) 20:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - but not because he fails the notability criteria for athletes. That is not an applicable notability criteria as ballet, and dance choreography are not sports.  The applicable criteria would be WP:ENTERTAINER for work as a ballet dancer and model, and WP:CREATIVE for his choreography work.  I could find no coverage on his choreography work.  As a dancer, I found mentions like this which acknowledge he danced in a produciton, but provides no critical commentary of his work.  The most substantial coverage I could find was this, but it's coverage in a community weekly. -- Whpq (talk) 17:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 17:00, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete or Redirect to Atlantic Ballet Theatre of Canada. Did not find significant coverage in multiple reliable sources with which to establish notability. I searched fairly extensively online, and like Whpq, the 2004 Daily Liberal article was the only source I found with significant coverage. I found a dozen or so RS sources with one-sentence mentions of his involvement in various performances (1 2 3 4 5 6 7). His modeling and film/television work seem to have attracted similarly little attention; the films were not really notable, or in the case of StreetDance 3D his role ("featured dancer") was not significant. The article says he finished among the top 100 dancers on a 2009 season of So You Think You Can Dance (UK), which does not sound significant, and I can't find any independent coverage about his performance. The two awards that the article states he won do not seem to be major awards, and the information does not seem readily verifiable online from independent reliable sources. There are also websites and press releases from ballet companies/schools he's worked with, which have more detailed information, but these are not independent secondary sources indicative of notability. It sounds like he's an energetic and successful dancer, teacher, and choreographer, but he does not seem to have attracted notice that can be easily found online, and unless other sources are found, does not meet Wikipedia's various notability guidelines. ––Agyle (talk) 20:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete verifiable, but not significant coverage. Fails WP:CREATIVE. --Bejnar (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
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