Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyle McMahon (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  23:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Kyle McMahon
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Lots of weak references that I don't think add up to WP:BASIC. Being a guest on a show that won an Emmy is not the same as winning the Emmy. He touts himself as a musician but I aside from joining a band on tour, I don't know what his musical skills are. His main claim to fame now seems to be as a podcaster but his bio is really all over the map, with periodic columns on websites and listed "appearances" which I don't think can establish notability. I guessed at what categories to assign for deletion sorting as he mainly seems to be known for being known. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Addition: After reading through the previous AFD, which I hadn't seen, and the earlier article which was deleted, I see that he is a singer but has not released any records, just one music video on YouTube. I wasn't familiar with the band he went on tour with for a few dates but apparently they were a boy band from the 90s so that would fit with being a singer. Liz Read! Talk! 21:57, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Appearing in films or TV shows that happen to have been Emmy or Oscar nominees or winners in other categories tangential to the subject's own participation is not a notability freebie — to derive notability from Oprah's Lifeclass getting an Emmy or Selma winning an Oscar, McMahon himself has to have personally been the recipient, which he wasn't in either instance. But nothing else here is "inherently" notable enough to clinch guaranteed inclusion in Wikipedia without having to get him over WP:GNG on his sourceability either, and none of the sourcing is actually getting him over WP:GNG: it's mostly primary sources that are not support for notability at all, such as Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself in the first person, directory entries, blogs, podcasts and staff profiles on the self-published websites of his own employers — and once you discount all of those, the few things left are just glancing namechecks of McMahon's existence in coverage of other people, not coverage about McMahon for the purposes of getting him over GNG. Absolutely none of this is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 14:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete This article is a promotion for someone whose main activity seems to be self-promotion. He did indeed appear on Oprah as the face of fatherless boys, and I suspect that the blog site fatherless.co is his because the majority of the articles are about him. Many of the links here are pretty much junk - one is that he is credited with a photo; the huffpost link says that he is a contributor, which makes him one of many many thousands. The Rotten Tomatoes link comes up zero. There are a few articles BY him (none in major venues), which don't provide notability. The 111 records link is dead and the discogs site for it does not list the recording by McMahon that is cited here. Also, I see nothing that links 111 with Warner - presumably it could have been owned by Warner but I don't think that would change the fact that it was a small, defunct label. I agree with NOM that this has been engineered to make him look much more important than he is. Lamona (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * p.s. Don't bother going to the newspaper link. It appears that every small town in America had a high school football player named Kyle McMahon. 5 pages of them. Lamona (talk) 16:46, 29 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment. He might meet WP:ENT as a host on iHeart radio show.Zeddedm (talk) 02:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ... but note how that guideline uses the terms "significant", "innovative", and others. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 13:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - If he can make a living as a relentlessly self-promoting jack of all media trades, good for him but he does not merit an encyclopedia article that serves no purpose except as yet another promotional vehicle. His reliable media coverage is typically just minor listings as being present in someone else's productions, and otherwise he is visible in sources that are numerous but unreliable, and largely created by himself. (Off-topic: I am also a "fatherless son" but few people know because, unlike this guy, I don't promote myself by whining for sympathy.) ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


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