Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyle XY characters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. there appears to be a consensus that this material is not peroperly sourced so it becomes original research and is therefore not a mergable target Spartaz Humbug! 06:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Kyle Trager
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Delete - all of these articles fail WP:NOT as they are nothing but overly long in-universe plot summaries. There do not appear to be independent reliable sources that attest to the separate notability of the characters. Fails WP:FICT as it currently exists, with only the first article possibly qualifying as a "titular character in a number of widely distributed works which have received full length reviews by two or more nationally known critics" and only then if there are national reviews for the two novels. Many of them have been tagged with a variety of issues, including notability, in-universe, lack of independent sources, etc. List articles already exist for the characters and the episodes and given that none of the material in the nominated articles has any reliable sourcing there's nothing to merge. Eddie&#39;s Teddy (talk) 20:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hillary (Kyle XY)
 * Amanda Bloom
 * Tom Foss
 * Jessi XX
 * Adam Baylin
 * Declan McDonough
 * Josh Trager
 * Stephen Trager
 * Lori Trager
 * Nicole Trager

Combine - Recommend combine and concise all information into a Kyle XY Characters article. It would be a shame to lose all of the information that has been entered. --Mjrmtg (talk) 22:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to an appropriate character list. Edward321 (talk) 00:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, nothing is referenced to reliable sources so there is nothing to merge. Eddie&#39;s Teddy (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a single reference to all of them. Some of them consist only of "family trees". -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The information can be cited eventually; please don't slash and burn it all in the meantime - Draeco (talk) 00:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If no reliable sources exist then 1) the information can't be cited and 2) the characters are not independently notable. Eddie&#39;s Teddy (talk) 00:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge all into a Kyle XY characters article. Allow de-merging/spinoffs without DRV only after WP:N or related criteria satisfied. Enforce on the honor system or through a subsequent AFD.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:39, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * List of Kyle XY characters is probably the best target for a forced merge. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment to those complaining about sources, as with any in-universe character, there is an implicit "Sources: The canon of the universe, including all aired episodes" at the bottom of each article.  While Wikipedia encourages in-line citations, it strictly speaking does not require them.  Therefore, arguing that something should be deleted when it is unsourced doesn't get you very far.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:43, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia certainly requires significant coverage in independent reliable sources per the general notability guideline. The episodes are not independent of the series or characters and so do not confer notability. The argument is not that the articles are not currently sourced; it is that there are no independent reliable sources that establish the notability of each individual character, along with additional issues. Eddie&#39;s Teddy (talk) 04:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is true for the initial establishment of notability, but not for other unsourced in-universe statements. To use a clearer example, "The character Spock has been featured on the cover of TV Guide" to establish notability requires an outside source, "Spock is a Vulcan" does not require an outside source or even an in-line citation, it's "source" is "Star Trek, seasons 1-3" and more, all of which are implicit when discussing an in-universe character. That said, specific in-line references are highly recommended and should be added where missing.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  14:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * keep, Relist separately' It looks like there are potentially sources out of universe for Kyle Trager himself. Moreover, as a main character of a popular show, it is much easier to presume notability. Thus, that one should be considered separately from the others. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all This is excessive, unsourced, in-universe material. It should all be trimmed and merged into List of Kyle XY characters. Reywas92 Talk  21:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment to the closing admin: If the results is MERGE for any particular name or for all names, please do so with prejudice, requiring a DRV to revert the protected redirect.  I recommend against deletion because valuable information and edit history will be lost.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  22:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge to List of Kyle XY characters. Abductive  (reasoning) 03:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Trim and merge into single list, or into article on show. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  03:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete everything and do not merge. There is a distinct lack of non-trivial coverage from reliable third party publications here.  JBsupreme (talk) 06:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.