Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyoki Roberts


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The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 23:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Kyoki Roberts

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Non-notable religious leader. Brianyoumans (talk) 11:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why do you consider him to be non-notable. Just calling him non-notable doesn't provide any evidence. - Mgm|(talk) 11:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't point out anything in particular because there isn't much to point out... that's the point. She leads a congregation in Pittsburgh, she has some moderate involvement with some small organizations, she had a small art project displayed at a local museum. I'm not sure that adds up to more notability than, say, a moderately active Catholic priest or Protestant minister. And when I last checked, run-of-the-mill local clergy didn't get Wikipedia articles.Brianyoumans (talk) 11:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - This search reveals several articles, such as this and this, which helps assert notability in the sense that she is a largely active figure in Buddhist teaching. That said, I couldn't find anything on Scholar. There are, however, numerous references to this women elsewhere on the internet. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 12:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To be clear: The first article you point out is in a local newspaper, the Sewickley Herald. I'm not sure what the circ. is, but Sewickley has a population of about 6,000. The other article is from a blog on About.com, and just quotes a letter that Roberts sent to a Pittsburgh newspaper.Brianyoumans (talk) 12:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's my point. Yes, they're not the most reliable sources in the world, but together with other references on Google, I feel this to be notable, or at least salvagable. Remember, it's not our aim to delete here, it's supposed to be a last resort to unsalvagable articles. That's my opinion. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 13:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's just about digging a bit deeper. It seems that some of the top items in that list get many hits, but are not necessarily the most relevant items. For instance, here and perhaps more importantly here you see information about a first amendment/religious freedom issue that garnered the attention of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Associated Press when the current location was acquired by her and her group. The other items in the article being discussed are found somewhat further down in the returned search items. Also, a great number of those blog posts (on both English-written and in other languages) reference a letter published in the Post-Gazette found here and it seems to be referenced by quite a few. The same paper also grouped her with the likes of PA Governor Ed Rendell and the internationally know Dr. Cyril Wecht as one of 30 prominent Pittsburghers here. I'll take some guidance as I maybe jumped the gun in moving the article out of my user space (please note it was my first article). Do these relevant items increase the notability? Should they be added to the article? Thanks for the discussion! --Wedge (talk) 14:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Is there a feature that makes her more noteworthy than a minister, priest, rabbi of an individual religious organization? Ranking among the 30 most prominent people of Pittsburgh by an influential commentator would hint that there should be an underlying reason. If we can ferret it out, that may provide the information we need to keep this article. Fg2 (talk) 10:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep A Google News search turns up additional media coverage to support notability: . Pastor Theo (talk) 01:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


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