Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyriakos D. Kassis


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The result was no consensus. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 23:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Kyriakos D. Kassis

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Another Greek poet with no significance. This is another example of a Wikipedia article with zero sources. Glucken123 (talk) 15:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Procedural Keep - No evidence that WP:BEFORE was followed and good evidence that it probably wasn't as this was part of a mass-nomination of dozens of articles about Greek culture over the course of a hour. FOARP (talk) 16:04, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment No problem with procedural keep as the nominator appears to not have done WP:BEFORE. The subject appears to have authored numerous books on Greek history, or something like that. I can't really parse the subject or its importance; a Greek speaker with knowledge of WP:PROF would be ideal here if we continue with the AFD. The article itself is terrifically bloated. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * comment Things are not as they appear to be; on the contrary, it's quite the opposite. His books must be either self-publications ("Ichōr" = Ιχώρ, is his own publishing house) or works printed by "obscure" publishers. The Biblionet database, the biggest Greek database of publications backed by the Greek National Book Centre, which usualy lists even the works of the least known Greek writers, for Kassis it has just one contribution in a collective volume . ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 16:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Openly promotional article, with no third party sources available to support or verify anything written in it. I cannot find even the slightest piece of information about him in Greek (which is striking since he is supposed to be an important artist with a huge body of work in several cultural sectors). Probable a product of promotional original research (the same is true for the Greek article, as I've just found out btw ). ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * PS. Almost all of his books seem to be self-publications . His books listed at Protoporia's website ("Protoporia" is one of the biggest Greek bookshops, both brick and mortar, and on-line) are registered either as publications by "Ichor" (Ιχώρ), Kassis own publishing house that prints only his books, or as "private editions". ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 12:33, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: The existence of so many -virtually unknown- Greek poets on Wikipedia has not been questioned by anyone thus far. The fact that English Wikipedia even approves of self-published works without any notability or coverage, is shocking. In this case, I seriously doubt if anyone's had a look at this person's work to determine whether they are notable or recognised in Greece. A simple Google is not always the answer - the same thing of course applies to the existence of a Greek Wiki page and vice versa. Glucken123 (talk) 12:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep His most notable contribution seems to be his efforts to preserve the heritage of the Mani dialect and people, and he is cited by some respectable sources. His status as an independent scholar/writer/filmmaker has its pitfalls, see for example, his attempts at pseudo-scientific explanations. I've no doubt there exist some reviews of his writings in the Greek language, they are just difficult to find, perhaps being parochial and pre-Google. Curiocurio (talk) 21:51, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * weak keep Per Curiocurio. Nominator's comments sound like this was a good faith nomination though. --Micky (talk) 18:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC) Blocked sockpuppet Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:19, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, '''The creeper2007 Talk! 22:18, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


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