Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/L'Ordre Sith


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The result was delete. &mdash; Nearly Headless Nick   {C}  11:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

L'Ordre Sith

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Delete Non-notable unreleased fanfilm. English Google search on "L'Ordre Sith" brings back 13 unique on 19 total. Full web search on ("L'Ordre Sith" film) returns 105 unique on 137 total - nearly all blogs, message boards, and Wiki mirrors. No major independent sources found. MikeWazowski 18:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as encroachment by fancruft. NetOracle 19:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - no external coverage by independent sources. May become notable after it's released, but not at the moment. Walton monarchist89 19:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Was covered by a 52 minutes documentary on Canal+. Of course this is only a national TV channel in France, a small country not worthy of the interest of the English-speaking wikipedians. French Google search shows more than 10,000 hits. But who cares about French google ? Hektor 19:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment-It might be more helpful to mention that in the article, rather than make sarcastic comments on an AfD.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Why ? this article will be deleted, I have absolutely no doubt about it. Hektor 19:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is true that "L'Ordre Sith" does get a lot of hits on its own - however, that's why I added the word "film" to the seaarch term, as "The Sith Order" (the translated phrase) seems rather generic, and not all the references were to the film, which is the important point. MikeWazowski 19:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as fancruft. Nardman1 19:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I am absolutely not a Star Wars fan. I have a proof, there is not one single Star Wars related edit in my contributions. I discovered this film through the 52-minutes Canal+ documentary. Hektor 19:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not calling the article fancruft, I'm calling the /movie/ fancruft. I bet you haven't even seen it. Nardman1 19:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have seen the movie making-of, interviews of director and actors, trailer and large abstracts in a documentary on French national television. Can you say that about Star Wars: Revelations which seems to be legitimate ? Has it been seen on HBO ? Hektor 19:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That movie is notable because /it's actually been released/ and it has a large fan-base. The same cannot be said of your French film, which of course we aren't discriminating against, as you claim. Who would dislike the French? Also your argument fails WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS Nardman1 19:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Revelations has been released and is available to the public, and has many, *many* legitimate independent third-party references available to its validity and notability. L'Ordre Sith does not, yet. That may change in the future, of course, but *right now*, it does not. MikeWazowski 19:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Large abstracts of the movie have been shown on French television, therefore it has been seen by millions of French people, which are not all Star Wars fans. This is comparable for me to a distribution to a limited fan base via the net. Canal + has 5 million subscribers; If one third of them has seen the documentary, which was broadcast as an introduction to the network premiere of Revenge of the Sith on January 1st 2007, that means that 1.5 million people in France know about the movie. Hektor 20:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In other words, you don't know the ratings, so you're making up numbers now to shore up your argument. Revelations had been downloaded more than three million times within three months of its release, and that was close to two years ago. That's actual numbers of people who *watched* the film, not just people *aware* of it. I haven't seen any current download figures, but regardless, it shows that there's no comparison between the two - especially when, and this is the important point, L'Ordre Sith has not been released. Some people may have heard about it on TV - but there's apparently been very little other press, and no one's seen a completed film. MikeWazowski 20:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There has been other press please see the Press book. Hektor 22:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Please also see the Press book which shows coverage in French media. Hektor 20:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless more references provided, one is not the multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself. required by WP:N Jeepday 19:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.