Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/L.N. Tallur


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Star  Mississippi  15:16, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

L.N. Tallur

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No WP:RS citations and the person shows no notability whatsoever. Purely reads like a resume. 2nd citation does not open and the award is also not a notable award. Totally fails WP:BIO Trolli Onida (talk) 23:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   ArcAngel    (talk) 01:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Visual arts, South Korea,  and India. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 00:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added some references. The Škoda Prize is no longer offered since Skoda withdrew its sponsorship after the first three years, which is why the prize's website is dead. The Internet Archive has several archives of the prize's website, though, and I think the prize is notable. This might be a good time to encourage anyone considering nominating an article for deletion to do WP:BEFORE. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 00:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I removed ALL the self-referential embedded links to the artist's site. This artist does not meet WP:NARTIST. He has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, or won significant critical attention, or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. The article was created by SPAs User:Nature Morte and User:Nature Morte 1. Long gone. No attempt to keep the article up to date. The single citable award of the Škoda Prize does not establish notability WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WomenArtistUpdates fails WP:NARTIST.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. We also have to look at the general notability criteria. Tallur is also substantively covered in the following independent sources:
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/plumage/ln-tallurs-miniature-masterpieces-in-bronze/
 * https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/art-and-culture/ln-tallur-art-sculptures-delhi-5829200/
 * https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/features/conversations-on-the-fringe-814943
 * The article could certainly do with additional high-quality content, however. Agree that winning a prize does not confer notability – we have to look at coverage in reliable sources. Enervation (talk) 07:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This is contentious not because of the number of sources present, but because of the notability of the artist despite the number of sources. He doesn't meet any of the criteria for the guideline that applies to creative professionals and hence the article should be deleted.Trolli Onida (talk) 13:57, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete I'm just not seeing the notability with the "prize" won, the rest isn't much to go on. Oaktree b (talk) 13:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep, the existing references and further available sources mentioned above denote both notability and coverage. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The existing sources are either passing mentions, native advertising, or notification of wining the the Škoda Prize, which we seem to agree isn't enough to confer notability. The new sources added to this discussion, but not added to the article, are very puffy pieces, and in the third instance (https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/features/conversations-on-the-fringe-814943) an interview. I don't see that the subject has been proven to be notable. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:50, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Final relist but I'm seeing No consensus right now. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. First, on the face of it, an Indian art prize so prominent that its being awarded to the article subject gets a full article in the notably non-India-centric Wall Street Journal would seem very likely to be a well-known and significant award or honor, satisfying ANYBIO. Maybe there's a reason why appearances are misleading here, but it hasn't been expressed in this discussion. Second, setting that aside, we have at least two articles in very highly respected periodicals (WSJ + The Hindu) that appear to be independent of the article subject and cover him sufficiently directly and in sufficient depth that no original research is needed to extract the content. (I think it's important to separate the question of whether coverage prompted by the Skoda Prize meets the threshold for NBASIC from whether the prize meets ANYBIO.) We also have this piece in the Hindustan Times that is wholly about the article subject's works though somewhat short on biographical detail. That seems ample for NBASIC. Finally, while there is some promotional abuse in the history of this article, there appears to be none in its present or foreseeable future, the creators having moved on, so I don't think that is likely to affect our ability to provide encyclopedic coverage. In sum, it seems to me that even if the article subject does not meet ANYBIO he meets NBASIC. -- Visviva (talk) 02:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. I think he has an WP:ANYBIO pass with the Skoda prize. CT55555 (talk) 02:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.