Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/L0de Radio Hour

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was default to keep as no concensus could be reached. (7 keep, 8 delete, 3 merge, 1 other, and 20 discounted) - Mgm|(talk) July 6, 2005 12:30 (UTC)

L0de Radio Hour
Adamn 1 July 2005 12:39 (UTC) Looks non-notable: it only nets 16 distinct hits on Google. chocolateboy 20:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) Lol stop changing all the votes to keep, these shoe-sniffing waterheads will revert all my choice witticismz. Warning: this radio show is the work of GNAA members who will likely come to its defense. Please watch out for any sock-puppet votes, vandalism and fallacious arguments. Most of the keep votes are from GNAA members who came to vote after a rallying call in their IRC channel. They also seem to be insulting any delete voters. BULLSHIT This radio show is created by an independent entity, me (l0de). The gnaa calls in to the show, this is the extent of their participation. All equipment, music, etc is provided by me. Most insults to delete voters are from me, because these people need to unclamp their teeth from their pillows and get on with life. This wikipedia entry was created by a fan of the show, and is a fitting homage to the spirit of the l0de radio hour. Grave repercussions await its deletion. I am personally issuing a challenge to any one voting for delete, I will duel you, to the death, in international waters. If you so strongly wish to have this deleted, you must back up your words with your life, else they shall be considered inconsquential, and those urging its deletion forevermore relegated to the ranks of shunned cowardice.
 * Please do not refactor the discussion into lists or tables of votes, however much you may think that this helps the process. Again, the votes are not the ends in themselves (Wikipedia is not a democracy). Both the context and the order of the comments are essential to understanding the intents of contributors, both at the discussion closure and during the discussion. Refactoring actually makes the job of making the decision at the closure of discussion much harder, not easier.
 * from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_Votes_for_Deletion
 * Sorry. --Scimitar 4 July 2005 14:43 (UTC)
 * for reference purposes the lrh episodes page can be viewed at
 * Try Googling for lrh + l0de instead. 231 results.
 * Note that this is a 'deliberately' misleading figure. I also question the validity of a "need" for the warning below, which seems to be systemically and inherently biased.
 * NOTICE TO ADMIN: I have removed a (possibly farcical) death threat to those voting delete. --Scimitar 29 June 2005 20:21 (UTC)
 * NOTICE TO ADMIN: I have re-inserted the so called "death threat" and heartily encourage that Scimitar learn the difference between a statement that all persons voting for deletion should consider themselves formally challenged to a duel which they could refuse only under pain of their emasculating cowardice being known to all of the internet, and a death threat, you DFF.


 * STRONG KEEP Come one, why not keep it? l0de rules. Long live GNAA.
 * Unsigned vote by Gold Stur -- Joolz 30 June 2005 09:54 (UTC)
 * Keep I know l0de personally, and lolled @ his show many many times. The amount of effort and time put into producing each episode is so great, that alone should require a STRONG KEEP on this article. Not to mention the fact that the article is informative and interesting. --Timecop 13:48, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable. How do you figure "only 16"?  Why are the Turnip Wars notable and not worthy of delete.  Ich 07:18, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with GNAA. -- grm_wnr Esc  18:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with GNAA, though seriously, it's a large text and the person doing the merge might say no. It's quite odd: I was sitting on irc, minding my own business, when suddenly this gentleman from the GNAA came by... Kim Bruning 18:13, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I think it is unfair to preemptively scream "trolling" on a VFD for an article because it is loosely related to the GNAA article. I also don't think a merge would be appropriate, because the lrh is not produced by them.--TexasDex June 28, 2005 16:57 (UTC)
 * It is produced by a member, although has a far wider appeal than simply people inside the GNAA.
 * Looking at some of the edits it seems I stand corrected. Complaining about trolling was practically inviting them to mess with the voting process.--TexasDex June 28, 2005 16:57 (UTC)
 * Keep, s. Only s would dare delete this fine article. Are you a ? GNAA Popeye 21:25, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you a ?   ‡   Jarlaxle   July 2, 2005 04:23 (UTC)
 * Personal attacks removed adjusted for humorous purposes, per Remove personal attacks. JRM · Talk 21:33, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)
 * 16 article edits total for this user. --Scimitar 30 June 2005 20:00 (UTC)
 * So? This user's creation predates the creation of this VfD by months. --Jacj 4 July 2005 10:32 (UTC)
 * Yes, it goes right back to the Vfd for the GNAA. And he votes to save this.  What a surprise (it's called a role account; it exists as sort of a longterm sockpuppet, contributing nothing but voting on policy) --Scimitar 4 July 2005 14:43 (UTC)
 * Keep: seems like a lot of the people voting don't seem to "get" the nature of the l0de radio hour. It's independent of the GNAA, and I don't understand why a lot of the delete voters are strongly associating it with them. --Jacj 29 June 2005 03:33 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Important part of Internets history
 * Unsigned comment by 195.156.160.123. Their fifth contribution. -- Joolz 28 June 2005 19:21 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This show is representative of the general malaise of today's Net-enabled youth; contrarianism and shock jock talk to stretch the boundaries of what the media can do; what is offensive/what is entertainment/what is music -- all questions posed by this show, taken as a continuing piece of art. The GNAA reference could be deleted; they are an occasional particpant as much as any caller.  Skip their self-aggrandizing and focus on l0de's artistry.
 * Unsigned comment by anon User:65.96.168.137, whose only contribution is to this debate. --Scimitar 29 June 2005 20:21 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable. Also note that amount of Google hits is greatly deflated by poster of this VFD. --Lysol 07:12, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Possible role account, judging by Special:Contibutions/Lysol. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 11:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * How convenient for you. I've made numerous contributions to articles, and it's people like you who constantly pick apart and judge others positive contributions that make Wikipedia increasingly more irritating to participate in. --Lysol 19:49, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * 24 total article edits, and none since January. Incidentally, you haven't editted anything on Wikipedia in the week since this post. --Scimitar 30 June 2005 17:04 (UTC)
 * What does that have to do with the validity of a vote? You're really scrambling for something to question my completely honest and legitimate piece of free speech.  You should be ashamed of yourselves. --Lysol July 1, 2005 06:53 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with free speech, Wikipedia isn't a democracy. However, we generally only accept votes from community members; people commited to Wikipedia, not one particular article. --Scimitar 4 July 2005 14:43 (UTC)
 * Google test. It's not reliable to begin with, and somewhat of a red herring. The number of Google hits do not address the essential questions. JRM · Talk 19:59, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable. --l0de 07:12, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC) death threat removed
 * Vote cast by IP address 65.5.208.21. The IP has also vandalised User:Chocolateboy and this page Susvolans (pigs can fly) 11:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I dispute the term vandalism, I was leaving a message for that user in a convenient fashion. I did not edit the other page at all! Base lies from a perfidious poltroon, I expect no less from the dung-eaters of wikipedophedia
 * Keep. Notable. The guy is a legend in the Internet radio community.
 * Vote cast by IP address 24.37.130.226. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 11:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable. Very good shows, deserves recognition -supers
 * First edit by account. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 11:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable. This man is on the forefront of investigative journalism in a brave new media format.
 * Second edit by account GNAA cyberdyne. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 11:59, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So? User:GNAA cyberdyne was created before this vote was initiated, so there's no way that they can be a sockpuppet. --Jacj 29 June 2005 03:37 (UTC)
 * Hey there (pigs can fly), wana stop pointing out things that nobody cares about? According to YOUR talk page, you aren't an angel either. removed personal attacks.
 * Delete NN outside the (small, irrelevant) GNAA community.
 * Unsigned vote by 64.95.182.163, their second contribution. -- Joolz 17:31, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - The cries of "trolling" and "sockpuppetry" perhaps eminate more from the fact that the show is loosely-affiliated with the GNAA rather than any particular judgement upon its merits. Despite what the vote count could perhaps be, it is possible to dismiss whatever the powers that be disagree with by simply dismissing the individuals making the statements.  The l0de radio hour is a fairly cutting-edge program that stands out within the realm of internet media as both extremely funny, shocking, and suprisingly topical.  Despite the potential obscurity of the show, it has exiested as an internet entity for several years and will continue to thrive for quite some time
 * Unsigned vote by 70.240.89.53 - their first contribution. -- Joolz 17:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable. Do not merge with GNAA, as LRH is not produced by them. Kryptops 17:52, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * User has a total of 11 edits. --Scimitar 30 June 2005 17:59 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable. DX June 28, 2005 04:26 (UTC)
 * Note: This user has been tampering with votes. -- Joolz 28 June 2005 07:13 (UTC)
 * Keep, LRH is definately a notable part of the internet. Anyone voting for its deletion from the self-important Wikipedia needs to stop chomping on green logs of butt mud for a second and listen to an episode. If you dont "lol" you're a humorless poltroon. To further butress my argument, heres a number I composed. Linux Scat Ode : The chat has moved off this mortal coil. To replace the entertainment, my pants : I'll soil! Turds smashing into the boxers all nite. I'll take them off and sniff. Ohh yeah. Dats rite. The smell is divine, the taste is great. Now all I need is a paper plate. Going to Butch's with this fresh poopie. I hope he's thirsty. Because this poop is : soupy. My bowel movements are incredibly loose. Thats ok, I love squirting juice from my caboose. The linux scat scene sure is hard. Its a shame that my body is nothing but lard. Oh the life of a Linux Fatty Shit-eating Scat Fiend. Oh no mom is comming!!! This chat session : screen'd --Feerie 28 June 2005 04:44 (UTC)
 * Guess what... This is the user's only edit, edits to his user page were done by the anon above who reinserted his "duel challenge", strongly indicating that Feerie is in fact, a sockpuppet. --Scimitar 30 June 2005 14:56 (UTC)
 * Guess what... You are a designates my apparent nationality(removed), get back in the oven racist terminology(removed).
 * Adjustments to statement made by Scimitar 30 June 2005 19:55 (UTC).
 * STRONG KEEP No good reasons have been presented as to why there shouldn't be an article here. The people wanting to delete this clearly have an anti-gaynigger and anti-trolling agenda. The racism must stop on wikipedia or there will be consequences.  PS not a sock puppet. :) :) :) :) :) (DONT YOU DARE DELETE MY VALID VOTE UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE I AM ONE TOO) GaryNigel 28 June 2005 13:45 (UTC)
 * User has 12 edits, this is his first since December of 2004. His last edit was on the GNAA Vfd. --Scimitar 30 June 2005 00:18 (UTC)
 * KEEP LRH is an impressive piece of internet history, I understand that some groups are planning on transmitting it uninterrupted via shortwave radio out of Canada. It is ridiculous to censure history, Wikipedia should take a bath of all this hippie fascist open-source cronyism and just report history. -HuseinGandhiRokso
 * Unsigned comment made by anon User:69.199.17.13 whose only edit is the literary masterpiece seen above. --Scimitar 29 June 2005 20:29 (UTC)
 * Keep L0de Radio Hour is one of the most inventive uses of the internet to date and should not have to qualify itself to prevent censure. unloopy
 * Unsigned comment made by anon User:65.160.122.217, who has a total of 6 edits. --Scimitar 29 June 2005 20:27 (UTC)
 * KEEPZ* LRH is the greatest shit ever, I once called and he made fun of Latvia, it was so lol
 * Unsigned comment by anon User:159.148.29.36, who has a total of three edits. --Scimitar 29 June 2005 20:24 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Firstly an independant vanity article about a dime-a-dozen internet radio host. Its inclusion with GNAA is of no significance, as any one can join just by watching a movie and joing slashdot.
 * Keep: this is outrage and blatEnt discrimination of communism -User:commie
 * User's first and only contribution. -- Joolz 29 June 2005 21:51 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep: Definite significance, must not remove-User:furiouscommie
 * Comment by 70.108.139.252 - their one and only contribution. -- Joolz 30 June 2005 09:54 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - *is* notable. And yes, scimitar. I know how many edits i have done Adamn 1 July 2005 11:57 (UTC)
 * That's good. I note the number of edits for the administrator's knowledge, not for fun. In any case, this account created on 1 July, but given contributions since then and also tone of votes, is likely not a sockpuppet IMHO. --Scimitar 4 July 2005 21:18 (UTC)

KEEP!
 * Delete not notable. CDC   (talk)  21:48, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete NN. Karol 22:17, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable and sockpuppet supported. JamesBurns 07:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete trolling. sjorford &rarr;&bull;&larr; 08:53, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The radio show is ABOUT TROLLING, you vagina-lipped metrosexual
 * I can't decide if this is irony or not. Who cares, really. sjorford &rarr;&bull;&larr; 15:43, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Stop being a het. You obviously care or you wouldn't have bothered to voice your foul musings.
 * Delete, WP:SOCK. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 09:36, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your justification of your vote by reference to "WP:SOCK"...are you saying that the article itself is a sockpuppet and should be deleted for that reason? --Jacj 4 July 2005 10:37 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. -- Joolz 17:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete'. What the GNAA does or does not have to do with the show is irrelevant, though the sockpuppet votes are not exactly supporting the arguments. In fact, the vote above was made by a GNAA member who was honestly arguing the point (I know this because we were talking on IRC as he made it, and I think you can trust me when I say I wasn't trolled...) However, this show is indeed very obscure. I don't see how this can be verifiable|; if the only source of information on the material is the station itself, or its listeners, we should not be reporting on it. Wikipedia is not for advertising, even if articles are written neutrally. When the station does something that makes it notable in the world (and I mean as in newspaper/major website notable, not "I really think this is revolutionary" notable) we can report on it, because then we'll have some sources with which to back up the claims. Wikipedia doesn't report on the truth, but on all (notable) views of the truth. This station is simply not big enough to be in any sort of view. JRM · Talk 17:59, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)
 * I vote that the preceding user be granted leniency on grounds of hereditary idiocy, as this is a SHOW not a station. Note that the l0de radio hour has resulted in two deaths and one attempted suicide to date, which can be independently verified from a number of sources. This is MORE DEATHS PER SHOW than nearly any other radio programme. 
 * Just outta curiosity, whose deaths are these? I assume one of them is Klerck's. --Jacj 4 July 2005 10:30 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct; "station" is a mistake on my part. JRM · Talk 4 July 2005 10:27 (UTC)
 * I'll verify it right now, you DFF. Everything in that article is true, or should be. DEATH 2 CENSORS
 * Delete. We've deleted FM radio shows and presenters, this is nothing special. Hedley 18:01, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. And aren't we due for another bitter, partisan, and rancorous VfD for the GNAA right about now? The sockpuppets seem to be ready, at least. -R. fiend 04:09, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with extreme prejudice, per the sockpuppets. Failing a delete, merge as suggested above. --Scimitar 29 June 2005 20:14 (UTC)
 * Suggest you "merge" your lips with dog feces
 * ...which shows the value of your suggestions, including what to do with this article ;) --Scimitar 4 July 2005 14:43 (UTC)
 * STRONG KEEP There are a lot of irellevant radio shows on the internets. This is not one of them. While many internet radio shows are dedicated to how sexually appealing an anime character's breasts are or even worse the fact that anonymous sexual intercourse just seems more arousing with a mascot costume on, this show is about relevant and recent news events and presenting them in a way that the aspberger's afflicted community can relate to. A vote for deletion on this item is a vote to marginalize anyone with aspberger's. These are intelligent people with a voice that must be heard.
 * Keep This show rules. Wikipedia's mere existence makes me wish I had AIDS. And before anyone comments, yes, I know how many edits I've done.

Comments

 * Alright folks, you've had your fun, back on the short bus and off you go. -R. fiend 28 June 2005 19:42 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from personal attacks. --Jacj 3 July 2005 20:22 (UTC)

This is feerie - i'm absolutely not a "Sockpuppet" or whatever ridiculous terminology you simpering pro-censorship Moderator/Dictators use to dismiss the legitimate support this entry has. As I stated before, get the green logs of butt mud out of your mouth for more than 1 second and realize that A) people like the show and that B) its notoriety grants it a space in your bloated blog. Thank you, good night. --Feerie 2 July 2005 05:17 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be placed on a related article talk page, if one exists; in an undeletion request, if it does not; or below this section.

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