Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LERA Consulting Structural Engineers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 15:48, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

LERA Consulting Structural Engineers

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Article is increasingly turning into an advert about this engineering company. The "1923" date is unlikely, because Leslie E. Robertson was born in 1928 and his article says he founded his business in 1982. There's little other than passing mentions here in industry publications, certainly nowhere near enough to convince me the subject passes WP:NCORP. Engineering advisors are unlikely to claim any of the limelight in big architectural projects, so I'm not convinced there will be much (or any) pre-internet coverage to change the situation. Time for it to go. Sionk (talk) 18:40, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The refs don't support notability, they are primary, trivial or industry press. Szzuk (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep.instead of deleting let's talk how to modify the content in order to make the article compliant. Much of the information is from the firms own website and can be validated elsewhere as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.73.120.36 (talk) 03:22, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, talk away! But the task isn't to prove the claims are true, but rather to show LER meets Wikipedia notability criteria for companies. Wikipedia isn't a listings service for structural engineers. Sionk (talk) 22:57, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: The article has been developed by a series of WP:SPAs, some of whose account names abbreviate or invert the company name. None appear to have made the required WP:DISCLOSE declaration. AllyD (talk) 06:33, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Bobherry  Talk   Edits  15:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: Regarding the nom's question about when the firm was established, this source indicates that Worthington, Skilling, Helle, & Jackson, whose John Skilling and Leslie E. Robertson were involved in the engineering for the Twin Towers, traces back to a W.H. Witt Company in Seattle. The article on their current incarnation, Magnusson Klemencic Associates carries the same 1923 date, and it looks more appropriate there than for this article. (The LERA firm is indicated here as members of a trade organisation since 1981.) AllyD (talk) 12:52, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: This article's tendency towards a slideshow brochure of developments in which the subject firm played a role is a concern, albeit one which could be addressed through article protection and insistence that the WP:COI conditions are followed. Regarding notability, though, it is WP:NOTINHERITED from work done on notable developments. The best source is probably the New Yorker item from 2001, though it is more about Leslie E. Robertson and mentions LERA only as assisting in the post-9/11 investigations. I don't see enough to demonstrate WP:CORPDEPTH notability for this firm. AllyD (talk) 13:11, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability isn't inherited, references fails the criteria for establishing notability, topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 13:11, 18 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.