Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LGBT characters on The Simpsons


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus. --Ezeu 22:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

LGBT characters on The Simpsons
What is really the point of this article? Most of it seems like original research to me. If a character is gay we could just as well write it in the article about the character. --Maitch 20:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Browned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.239.8.73 (talk • contribs). -- MrFi s  h Go Fish 13:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep! The article is well written and their are several other articles that cover LGBT themes in popular culture, i.e. television, films and video games. A certain bigoted comment about not being able to "get away" with a list of the straight characters on the Simpsons, needs to learn a thing or two about heterosexism.  I would suggest changing the name to.."List of...


 * Delete per nom. --Maitch 20:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep - Seems factual enough. I found it interesting./ Amaas120 20:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge Merge with the individual characters — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakart (talk • contribs)
 * Keep Rename per ElizabethFong andJoelmills - although it could use a bit more in the intro on the significance of such characters in a larger societal context They said it better. CovenantD 21:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete rampant listcruft. 68.228.249.227 21:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops - previous vote made by me accidentally logged out. Arkyan 21:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge any useful content in with the character articles themselves and then Delete. When all or virtually all of the characters already have articles, you don't really need a POV fork arguing about who might be gay. BigDT 21:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep this has been a subject of a lot of discussion, not only regarding Smithers and the Simpsons Archive; didn't There's Something About Marrying make the news when it was first announced? That and Karl and Homer's Phobia, and of course Lenny and Carl (see info in romantic friendship... it's a significant theme.  CanadianCaesar Cæsar is turn’d to hear 22:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Ridiculous listcruft/fancruft. Way too many Simpsons references in Wikipedia as there is - many or even most should be culled. Bwithh 02:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - From the title, I was all set to delete, but it's a well put together article, not just a list. I especially liked the controversies section.  Popular shows that are not LGBT themed don't often have so many LGBT elements.  --Joelmills 02:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - may want to rename it to LGBT themes in The Simpsons. --Joelmills 02:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's a nice, well-referenced article and it gives good explanations. It's linked to from far and wide. I don't see any harm in this. Grand  master  ka  03:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well-written and informative. Aguerriero  ( talk ) 05:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I might be biased, but I find everything on the page to be well thought out and supported.Ohyeahmormons 14:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - but Merge any useful information onto character pages, and cut this down to just a list... then Rename List of LGBT characters from The Simpsons... - Adolphus79 17:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Original research carried out for POV reasons. Carina22 20:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as a valid article, although some revision is needed. Bhumiya (said/done) 22:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --BrenDJ 01:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete There's no way on earth you'd get away with writing "List of Straight characters in the Simpsons". Who the hell cares if a cartoon character is homosexual or lesbian anyhow?88.107.190.97 06:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to bother explaining to you how ridiculous that comment is. I hope you can figure that out yourself. Ohyeahmormons 01:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Note this is 88.107.190.97's first edit


 * Delete as per Bwithh and Carina22. --Shuki 20:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. --Strothra 20:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. redundant with the articles on individual character. Create a category "LGBT Simpsons characters" if needed. —Ruud 23:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Uncertain. I'm split on this because a lot of this is good info, but at the same time almost every character on the show at least a few times gets hints of their own...very few characters are really truly implied strongly to be gay...perhaps not enough to justify a page. But at the same time...it seems like such a waste. Maybe we should make one single page for things like this. To put in things of cultural significance...misc information in general. Short, sweet and everything. Give me a bit to think about this before I vote.--Kiyosuki 02:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge and Rename The information at the bottom in terms of LGBT content and reactions to the content are the best portion of the article. The article should be renamed to LGBT references in the Simpsons, with the bits about each character being trimmed down and/or moved to the specific character's page - a list of the characters referenced along with a one-line summary next to each one will suffice when set alongside the overall big picture. --ElizabethFong 02:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename per Joelmills and ElizabethFong. Rigadoun 16:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, but some revision is needed. Tryggvia 18:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Excessive fancruft.  WesleyDodds 04:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. This is original research and fancruft at its worst. KleenupKrew 23:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Brilliant treatment of an important subject. Rounds out our coverage of the Simpsons oeuvre. --JJay 01:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. OR and LGBT fancruft is still fancruft. Armon 16:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I find it very interesting and well-presented. Open2universe 17:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.