Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LITE (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Flowerparty ☀ 00:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

LITE (band)

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Non-notable band fails Wikipedia WP:MUSIC criteria. The Real Libs-speak politely 15:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  KuyaBriBri Talk 15:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  KuyaBriBri Talk 15:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

help, please re:deletion of LITE (band)
Hi, noob contributor here, please help!

Can someone please explain why they are "non-notable" when they've got 2 studio albums, an EP and a live album available in the shops, and are at the cutting edge of a relatively new genre of music, (i.e. math-rock)?

Thanks in advance, Phil. Musophil (talk) 17:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's very simple Phil. Over the course of 7 years of editors fighting with each other over what bands were notable enough for an encyclopedia page, a standard developed by which bands would be judged: A band must meet one (or more) of the 12 criteria at WP:BAND. That's it. If you can document with a source that this band meets any one of the 12 criteria listed, no one here is likely to fight you on it.--CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 19:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't say for sure that Lite aren't notable but, two points: math rock isn't new, it goes back to at least the 70s, and sheer number of albums released isn't a measure of notability. Hairhorn (talk) 19:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * @Musophil: it looks like your best chance of proving notability is C4 of WP:BAND -- if you can find a review in a reliable third-party publication of their international tour, that would do it. That or if those albums were (which they appear not to be) from a major indie label (that's C5). —Quasirandom (talk) 04:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, so I need some evidence of their "notability" then?
A quick Google search for "LITE math-rock" gave me 74000 hits, most of which seemed to be referring to this band.

Their LastFM page shows over 300,000 plays and over 15,000 subscribed listeners... http://www.last.fm/music/LITE

This page on DontPanicOnline details a show they're playing in England, mentions their well-received recent album and also mentions their appearance at the Fuji Rock Festival... http://www.dontpaniconline.com/thunderbox/thewall/topic/?id=625

Here's their artist page on their record label... http://www.transductionrecords.com/main/artists/lite/

Here's a review of a new live album of theirs, Live In New York http://www.shortwaverockin.com/?p=248

^^notice the number of different countries this band has played in... native to Tokyo, Japan, they've toured Ireland, the UK, and the USA tour was supporting Mike Watt from the stuff I've found so far. Another reference to the Mike Watt tour is on the Mike Watt wiki page, I notice.

Incidentally, their record label, Transduction Records is the label Mike Watt's band are on - notable act on same label - isn't that another of the criteria?

Anyway, moving on...

GodIsInTheTVzine features the following reference to their continuing third UK tour: "re: LITE 2008 tour LITE's performance at The Ram & Shackle last night was pretty impressive. They still have a few UK dates left - Birmingham. Brighton, Leeds and London and you can buy their album off them for a tenner.Good value." http://www.godisinthetvzine.co.uk/users/public_profile.php?userid=5357

Here's a review of their EP, on TheLineOfBestFit.com... http://www.thelineofbestfit.com/2007/03/lite-filmlets/

Metropolis - "Japan's #1 English Magazine"... http://metropolis.co.jp/tokyo/786/music_beat.asp

drownedinsound review of one of their albums... http://drownedinsound.com/releases/13433/reviews/3513733

There's loads more if needed. Musophil (talk) 23:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Insufficient notability. This is an encyclopedia and the guidelines don't support including every band, just ones that receive substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No notability. GripTheHusk (talk) 10:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

OK... in addition to the many references from 3rd party publications shown above, what about an appearance on French TV...? http://www.transductionrecords.com/main/2009/06/lite-on-french-tv/

Musophil (talk) 11:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The band have toured internationally, there are at least three examples of significant coverage in reliable sources, and they have had two albums released through Cargo Records. I don't see how deleting this is going to help the project.--Michig (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not all of Musophil's supplied references are reliable, but enough of them are to demonstrate the band passes at minimum C4 and C1, and depending on interpretation C5 as well, of WP:BAND. I hope that a passing experienced editor will take M. Phil under his/her wing and coach him(?) on improving the article. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep It wasn't that hard to find sources:  . Not sure if all are reliable, but most probably are. --Apoc2400 (talk) 23:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability has been confirmed, as per the input of several members of this discussion. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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