Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LOVE and SUICIDE


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. — Mets 501 (talk) 02:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

LOVE and SUICIDE
Not many Google hits. JD don't talk email me 23:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * keep new film from Lisa France, and starring Luis Moro both of whom appear notable enough. Kamar De Los Reyes is probably not so notable, only having had a series of walk-on roles in TV series, but the whole thing passes by my reckoning. Ohconfucius 05:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 *  AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.  Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Baseball,Baby!   balls  •  strikes  04:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep Probably won't be an international blockbuster but it's as notable as any other indi-arthouse type film. It could certainly use some style and format clean up. 205.157.110.11 05:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep non-vanity films, but the article needs work. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 07:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing WP:NOT, in that Google ("love and suicide") is not showing multiple non-trivial third-party articles about the movie. Yes, the movie is just out, and that's the point - WP is not a crystal ball and we don't know if the film is going to be notable yet.  Comments the film is "as notable as any other indi-arthouse type film" only begs the question, since being an indie film isn't innately notable, nor is being a non-vanity film (which I'm pretty sure is not part of WP guidelines).  I'm actually seeing a lot of Ghits, but mainly movie listings.  Tychocat 11:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep Some facts on Love and Suicide: 1) Kamar de los Reyes is international soap star on One Life to Live for 13 years. (2) He was one of People Magazines sexiest Latinos in 2005. (3) Kamar has been and is constantly in many national magazines, TV host shows, radios shows, etc. Hence, Kamar is a very well know actor.  (4) AMC Theatres picked up Love and Suicide to screen under thier AMC Theatres SELECT program. The film is currently in it's second week in Miami and AMC committed to expanding to other theaters starting next week. - Please note: Love and Suicide beat out films by major studios competing for the screen time in AMC Theaters. (5) Love and Suicide is currently screening in it's 8th week in Santa Fe, New Mexico. That is 6 weeks more than the theater first booked it for. (6) There are several more commerical theaters as well as film festivals and film socities that had and continue to garner LS the highest ratings possible. (7) LS cast is currently booked for several interviews on television shows and radio for next week. (8) We have had many articles in many forms (newspapers, magazines, blos, newsletters, websites), included two interviews on NBC. (9) LS is the first feature narrative film to be made in Cuba by a 100% American production company, in 47 years, (per Miami Herald, NBC and The Associated Press - Havana office), we believe that in itself sets it a part from any other film made. More items could be listed. Ideally the above will offer a fair case for someone to make an equitable decision when it comes to forming an opinion on Love and Suicide.  We look forward to your thoughts upon seeing Love and Suicide on the big screen. Best regards, Bobbi — Preceding unsigned comment added by BobbiLou (talk • contribs)
 * comment - WP is also not a newspaper, nor a free webhost. This has nothing to do with the artistic merits of the film or its actors or production crew.  You may want to see the WP guidelines regarding notability to see what I'm referring to.  Also, I note six distinct Google hits where Youtube,  Rottentomatoes and a fanpage have been given video from "bobbilou" - are you an employee of the production company?  Tychocat 01:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep Notability is not a guideline, and there's sort of a bias in Wikipedia when it comes to big Hollywood productions versus indie-arthouse films. For every big studio movie that's released, there's an article, even though many are forgotten in the same year, and will not be remembered nor notable in 5 years time. Wiki is not paper, so I think there's no harm in keeping both articles about big studio movies that might be forgotten and movies like this. --Clementduval 05:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree that their is a bias but I would stem that more from the fact that there really hasn't been a guideline laid out for the notability of small-budget indie films. For me, personally, distribution and screening is the key. However, I would like to see more discussion on the matter 205.157.110.11 20:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep - proof that the Google hits thing is bogusIntellectualprop2002 00:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Enough notable people involved to make it notable.--Runcorn 20:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.