Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lab Report


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep, meets WP:BAND. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Lab Report

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Speedied once, I bring the notability of this "sound project" up for discussion for closure.  brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Assuming the music really was published (and the whole article isn't a lie), it seems notable enough. Only existed 1 day, give the creator chance to improve.Yobmod (talk) 12:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by "published", but in any case, it doesn't establish notability per wp:music. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 14:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I use published in the dictionary sense; "issued for sale and distribution" from wiktionary. If they had 4 albums released by a real music label, then they seem notable to me. Edit: their albums are available at amazon, and both soundtracks are for notable films with wikipages (needed wikifiying).Yobmod (talk) 10:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "Released by a real music label" and being "available at amazon" does not satisfy the wp:music notability standard. Being part of the soundtrack of two unnotable films is unsourced and doesn't satisfy the notability criteria either. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 14:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikilawyering. Ryttaren (talk) 23:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So what does this mean? Is the article that I am submitting being wikilawyered by Brewcrewer? Becuase I feel that it is. I admit I am new and trying to create some entries that I feel are valid, but if the battle is this painful, I'll stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolphSteiner (talk • contribs) 17:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC) --RudolphSteiner (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks folks for the discussion.

I am new to Wikiapedia so footnoting (the code) is hard for me to understand. I need help with that

Here are the citations to document the article.

1) Movie soundtracks for Rose films are found here... a) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1945908/ b) http://www.mattschultz.com c) http://www.labreport.com

2) Inventor of the ATG is documented here a) http://www.mattschultz.com b) Concrete, Bulletproof, Invisible and Fried: My Life As a Revolting Cock Available December 2007 (UK), February 2008 (US) from SAF Publishing 256 pages in paperback ISBN-10: 0946719950 or ISBN-13: 978-0946719952 c) Industrail Revolusion - Book ISBN will be added later today.

3) album documentation can be found at... a) http://www.invisiblerecords.com/ b) http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=lab+report&x=18&y=12 c) http://www.mattschultz.com d) http://www.labreport.com e) Itunes f) snocap —Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolphSteiner (talk • contribs) 18:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I re-edited it an put in footnotes. Does it pass now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolphSteiner (talk • contribs) 22:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep. I remember this band from like 15 years ago, a friend of mine had the compilation album "Industrial Revolution".  Yes, they are a notable part of the "industrial music" scene of the early 1990s.  I don't understand how a band that released eight albums not counting the soundtracks or compilations could be considered other than notable.  Please see WP:Recentism. Squidfryerchef (talk) 16:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "Strong" Comment. I don't see the relevance of the non-guideline and non-policy essay of WP:Recentism. But once links are being provided, I would like to provide WP:MUSIC, where one can see that releasing a prodigal amount of albums doesn't establish notability. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have found many music projects that have not released 8 albums and yet have wiki pages. Furthermore, the eight albums are not all that is noteworthy. Being mentioned in the Industrial Revolution book (historical analysis of modern industrial and avant guard music) stands to point our their notoriety. The feature films add to their notoriety as well.  It seems odd that Brewcrewer considers the films not noteworthy when one of America's leading film critic does. Where are the standards for what makes a notable film? Would Brewcrewer consider Stan Brakage films not notable because they weren't released in theaters? Even though these have.

Quite frankly I am shocked at the amount of bands that obviously have no notoriety and should not be allowed a page under the Brewcrewer tight restrictions. They have not released as many albums and were not mentioned in any sourced material. Yet, they still have pages. There are many noteworthy bands who should actually fail the noteworthy standard. One might check Psychic TV for example. This group never made the top 100 rock charts and yet they are allowed to have a page. Their history is important to the Industrial music genre, but by Brewcrewer definitions should not have a wiki page.

What seems to me to be apparent here is the inconsistency in assessing noteworthiness. But what is worse of all is that I get blind requests from people to explain this or that about an industrial band (because of my book project) and I really wish they could just wiki the names. --RudolphSteiner (talk) 03:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Recentism, because if this band came out last year we would not be having this discussion. Squidfryerchef (talk) 16:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:Music #5 which states: "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." Amazon has their albums released by Invisible Records, a label with a 20+ year history that still exists today and has a roster with plenty of blue linked performers. Vickser (talk) 03:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. The article should also make the point that Cleopatra Records chose to include Lab Report on a compilation album of songs it felt were definitive of the industrial genre. Squidfryerchef (talk) 16:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. I didn't know there was an Industrial Revolution book.  If it mentions the band, then that's a published secondary source, and notability has been established. Squidfryerchef (talk) 16:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I just posted those under the compilation section and found several more releases. Also there was a Industrial Rev book check the isbn #. Hard to find in print. Yet another reason I wanted add to wikiapedia.--RudolphSteiner (talk) 23:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The Industrial Revolution Book was a companion to the 4-cd compilation of the major forces in the industrial and noise scenes, compiled by Cleopatra Records. bowensanders (talk) 05:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:Music #6 which states Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such, and that common sense exceptions always apply. -- since Matthew Schultz was also a part of the ensemble of Pigface -- bowensanders (talk) 05:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Request for new administrative reviewer and/or wiki moderator for this topic. Suggestions include wiki-mods with a reasonable background in counter-culture and the music thereof over the last three to four decades. -- bowensanders (talk) 05:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.