Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lace and Leather


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep; the article is indeed well beyond the level of a stub. Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 20:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Lace and Leather

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Not notable enough. Discontinued chart, plus, there is not much info of the song to have an article alone. Sauloviegas (talk) 23:26, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * A discontinued chart? Well what is wrong with that? Nowhere in WP:NSONGS does it say that a chart must still be in circulation. Nonsense. On top of that, it isn't a stub, so there is obviously enough information. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  03:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:03, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:13, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm no fan of Britney Spears but if she sings and records Happy Birthday there should be an article about it.  Nipson anomhmata   (Talk) 16:55, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment. The afd1 tag was never placed on this article. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the album. Song itself seems to be not notable, and not all songs by famous artists are notable in their own right. Otherwise we'd have 200+ Beatles song articles. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect not notable enough in its own right; redirect to the album which as far as I can tell is the subject of all the references.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 12:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

* Redirect to album per convention, does not meet WP:NSONGS RadioFan (talk) 19:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Please give actual support for it not being notable. It charted and the article itself is not a stub, so yes, it does achieve the guidelines of NSONGS. There is little difference between this and Mmm Papi, which is even a GA article, aside from the fact that I have failed to find time to expand this article to its full size. :D -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  02:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment Billboard.com's database states that it did not chart on any of their charts. RadioFan (talk) 13:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Billboard has terrible archiving for most songs that don't make the Hot 100. They typically will only list singles. But no matter, allmusic is run by the same corporation (Rovi), so they collect the same data. The difference being that allmusic lists every chart entry, not just for singles and Hot 100 songs. You will notice that many songs did chart here, but Billboard fails to list them. -- ĈÞЯİŒ  1ооо  15:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Good catch. With a quality reference for the claim of position on the pop 100, this clearly meets WP:NSONGS, changing my !vote to  keep.--RadioFan (talk) 15:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
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