Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lacey Brown


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep due to the support of others and the withdrawl of the nomination. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:05, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Lacey Brown
Article only states that they are a finalist in a competition that already has an article about it. Upon investigating it seems that they have been 'eliminated' and are now out of the compaction. Wintonian (talk) 21:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I propose we simply redirect to the season 9 page, which is how the other finalists with minimal press coverage are currently treated.--Milowent (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If not enough information is listed as is currently mentioned, then redirect. If the article is greatly improved, then let stand. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - As she once said "You gotta turn noes into yesses". She was on Idol once. Didn;t make the cut. Now she's back. She's gonna be better.--Banananana88 (talk) 01:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Passes criteria #9 and #12 of WP:MUSIC.--Banananana88 (talk) 05:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Your opinion that she wont simply be eliminated again carries no weight in this AFD.  And no, it certainly does not pass #12, she was not the subject of an episode of American Idol, she was simply on an episode of American Idol.  Passing criteria #9 is debatable, as simply being on American Idol does not mean one necessarily placed in the competition.  The359  ( Talk ) 05:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we should wait and see until she finishes her interviews before decide whether or not she pass #12. She definitely passed #9, she has placed 12th in the finals. Her cameo in season 8, with her sing-off with Megan Joy, also counts as additional notability because it places her in 2 seasons.--Banananana88 (talk) 06:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * We do not include people based on what they might do, we include people based on what they have already done. We are not in the business of predicting the future.  The359  ( Talk ) 09:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Why hasn't this been added to the music and television discussions?--Banananana88 (talk) 10:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy close - You just don't get it. She's been on the show last year. Almost made it to the top 36, but failed. She came back. made it farther than she did. But still ended up going. Yet she is still able to achieve something no contestant have so far. She improved her ranking from last season. That may not be much it is still two events. You cant use WP:BLP1E here. Apart from that, she also has done interviews with newspapers, magazines, and tv and radio programs by herself (compared to last week's eliminees) and she's not yet done. If I were you, who is so intent on deleting these articles, I will wait two weeks afterthe elimination interviews are over before nominating anyone here to see if they are truly notable.--Banananana88 (talk) 10:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Banananana88 has made great efforts to turn this into a valuable article, so I am inclined to now Keep.  I also base this on the fact that for the prior two seasons almost every contestant in the final 12 appears to have an article.--Milowent (talk) 12:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - Wow that’s a huge improvement in a short time, yesterday the article only stated their name and that they took part in the Competition . Great work, I withdraw the request.--Wintonian (talk) 12:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect. I don't believe Ms. Brown meets either #9 or #12 of WP:MUSIC.  Being the subject of a television programme is different than appearing on one; American Idol isn't a music competition in the sense that was meant by WP:MUSIC because there's not enough expertise represented in the voting structure to make it thus (similar to the editorial oversight that must be present for a reliable source).  I also don't see that she meets the non-binding guidelines with respect to reality television contestants, because I don't believe it's correct to say that she was "on" the last season.  She nearly was, but wasn't.  "Other contestants have an article" is not considered a useful criterion; see WP:WAX for details.  There will be plenty of time to recreate this if she actually does become notable for anything except this single event. Accounting4Taste: talk 13:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Nomination was correct when made, but there is easily enough to make it worth keeping now - as Wintonian to his credit recognised. Alzarian16 (talk) 13:46, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Although I requested the deletion Alzarian16 has got it spot on and I thank him/her for their comments. I made the request due to no information or refs present at the time both of which are now present to satisfy WP:BAND #9 and poss #12 as well as WP:SBST and WP:GNG - to me speedy keep would seem to be the best option.--Wintonian (talk) 22:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: Passes criteria #1 and #9 of WP:MUSIC. This should really be closed now that the nominator has withdrawn the nomination. Aspects (talk) 19:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I would agree but other people seem to disagree, so why not let others have their say and debate the issue? --Wintonian (talk) 22:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * My first inclination of her is that she narrowly meets both WP:Music 9 and 12. Though those who have suggested that 12 is more about just being on the show is not enough to meet this criteria, I am somewhat agreed. In my opinion though, she has placed respectively in the competition and has taken part notabaly twice. The article is referenced meeting the first criteria (of WP:music). So Im satisfied to view this as a keep Ottawa4ever (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, there are many references in the article and it has many information of her. She passes WP:MUSIC criteria and being a contestant on the top american show is enough for her having an article. Facha93 (talk) 17:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, I agree with the others and also, some American Idols who made the Top 12 have an article too such as Amanda Overmyer. --Homezfoo (talk) 22:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


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