Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ladder Street


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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 07:11, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Ladder Street

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It is quite hard to find sources that appear to be about this particular set of stairs. The majority of the content of the page is about geographical features which are in the area. Suggest that the page could be deleted altogether without any loss of content - possibly could have more of a mention at Ladder streets and/or a merge if there is anything to merge. JMWt (talk) 07:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: China and Hong Kong. JMWt (talk) 07:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have added material and references about the street. Note that the entire street is listed as a Grade I historic building ("Buildings of outstanding merit, which every effort should be made to preserve if possible"). Its specific heritage assessment reads "Ladder Street is a valuable piece of Hong Kong's built heritage. It is of considerable historical interest". Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 10:07, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per, and thank you to, Underwaterbuffalo. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 22:41, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. English-language sources:  This 1939 article is an extensive profile of Ladder Street. The article notes: "Very necessary is the notice at the head of Ladder Street, "Cars No Entry," for within ten yards of leaving hte main road this narrow thoroughfare plunges downhill, as a steep stone stairway. More than three hundred steps there are, divided into irregular flights by flat pavements. The street is not more than twelve feet wide, yet it is thronged with people: black-haired, laughing children on their way to school; coolies wearing broad-brimmed, conical crowned hats, and bearing heavy loads on their springy carrying poles; housewives in the shiny black trousers and clean white coats of the middle-class Cantonese."   The article notes: "Ladder Street stretches from the Man Mo Temple on Hollywood Road straight up the hill to Caine Road, Mid-Levels. The area has changed greatly in recently years; even the old stones of the street have recently been realigned or replaced. The steep street got its name because it extends straight up and down like a ladder. The Cantonese name for the street, Lou Tai, means staircase. It is also the word used for ladder, so the naming of the street was probably the result of a mistranslation. Originally built to allow sedan chairs to travel between the bazaar area, lower down the hill, and Mid-Levels, the flat halts at various points were built to allow bearers to pause and adjust their loads."   The article notes: "Ho Pui-yin, associate professor in history at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, objected to the plan, saying that Ladder Street was like a 'time tunnel', showcasing architecture from different eras in the past century. 'The neighbourhood is a very good place for strolling and appreciating architecture. The last thing it needs is a fast, modern moving walkway, which will ruin the original streetscape,' she said."   The article notes: "Ladder Street was built in the 1840s with steps and landings made out of granite slabs and concrete paving. There are still some old sections of retaining walls and boundary walls visible, the antiquities office says."  <li> The article notes: "As you zigzag along Queen's Road West you'll see on your left what looks like a stairway to the sky. That is Ladder Street, a mile-long series of steps and landings too steep for vehicles. As you slowly climb, you pass more shops, peddlers and an outdoor barber or two." </li> <li> The article notes: "Official records do not give an exact date for the construction of Ladder Street. An old Hong Kong manual mentions, however, that sedan chairs were once used to negotiate the 65 meter (213-foot) climb up the Ladder to residential Caine Road above. This indicates that the street existed about 100 years ago, which makes it something of a rarity in modern Hong Kong." </li> <li> This article is similar to the 1978 Hartford Courant article. </li> <li> The article notes: "In Hong Kong, the unexpected is expected: on Ladder Street, amidst the maze of humming alleys, steaming pavement kitchens, chattering hawkers, almond-eyed office girls and indecipherable advertising billboards, I discover a boy over his lunch, ... At the end of Ladder Street stands Man Mo, the colony's oldest temple, built 1948, filled with the heady fragrance ..." </li> <li> The article notes: "Yankee joggers might just want to try a century-old street on Hong Kong Island which should be a major test of fitness. It's Ladder Street (its Cantonese name means, literally, "street of steps") which climbs 213 feet from the main drag of the island to Caine Road, above. The stone steps were laid in place more than 100 years ago. Old guides to the British colony list fare for sedan chairs, carried by Chinese coolies. At the foot of Ladder Street on Hollywood Road stands the Man Mo temple, which dates back to 1848. The steep thoroughfare referred to colloquially as "Stair Street" is really Pottinger Street, named for the first governor of the colony, who took office just after the end of the Opium Wars, in 1843." </li> </ol></li> <li>Chinese-language sources:<ol> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "There is a street in Hong Kong consisting entirely of stairs, which is truly called "Ladder Street". The north-south Ladder Street is in Sheung Wan, starting from Queen's Road Central, going up the hill to Caine Road, with a total of 316 steps and a rise of about 60 meters. Today, many residents of Mid-Levels Central in Sheung Wan use Ladder Street as the main access. But in the past, it was not only a passage, but also the "Qingyun Road" for the early Chinese in Hong Kong, from the grassroots to the dignitaries! According to the Antiquities and Monuments Office, Ladder Street was built between 1841 and 1850 and was listed as a Grade I historic building in 2009. On the map of Hong Kong in 1845, Ladder Street is connected from Queen's Road to the hillside higher than the south of Hollywood Road." </li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "The Ladder Street is 350 meters long and built along the mountain. There are more than 300 stairs. It starts from Queen's Road Central, passes through Moro Street, Hollywood Road, Square Street, Bridges Street and Yulin Terrace, and ends at Jiantian Street. The road is the end point. I believe many citizens will walk past it, leaving a lot of footprints on the corner of the street. It is also a hotspot for the location of many movies and TV dramas." </li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "Ladder Street was originally paved with granite. After more than a hundred years of history, most of it has been paved with concrete and new iron railings have been replaced. However, many historical traces can be clearly seen, such as old retaining walls and tree walls. and guardrails along the street." </li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Ladder Street to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 11:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep per above. A big thank you to those who found sources! gidonb (talk) 16:40, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


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