Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lagny-sur-Marne International Piano Competition


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The result was redirect to List of classical music competitions.  Sandstein  13:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Lagny-sur-Marne International Piano Competition

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Does not meet WP:GNG the French page for this French piano competition was deleted 3 times as being not notable https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concours_international_de_piano_de_Lagny-sur-Marne Domdeparis (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi. This article was written following the same guidelines as the ones that apply to other renowned international competitions on wikipedia, such as the Cleveland International Competition or the Van Cliburn Competition. The references direct towards the Alink-Argerich Foundation which is the official "yellow pages" for piano competitions in the world, and as such, is a guarantee of authenticity. Considering that music competitions are part of the world cultural life, it's hard to see why this article couldn't meet the requirements (since, as I just stated, many other competitions are references here on wikipedia, and the match-up of jury members prove that this is a serious and important competition). The fact that the French equivalent of this article was deleted is not sufficient to do the same here, especially when its deletion was not at all justified (literally, not justified with any explanation by the person in charge of deleting). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lysander3105 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 29 November 2016 (UTC)


 * There is no doubt that the competition is authentic and the fact that it is listed on the web site attestes to that, but that doesn't make it notable. The web site is a foundation and directory of competitions and by paying 1000€ any competition can join as a member, this in itself does not confer notability. The reason given for the French version's deletion was that it was not notable.  You must provide proof of in-depth coverage. I could find very little on the net covering this competition, only one of the winners is deemed well known enough to have his own wikipedia page. You have provided only primary links which do not prove notability.  You have created around 40 redlinks, that means that you consider that the subjects are all worthy of a page in Wikipedia and you or someone else will be creating it in the very near future, if this is so feel free to leave them otherwise it would be better to remove them. Domdeparis (talk) 15:58, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

I deleted the redlinks. Many of them would however be worthy of a page on Wikipedia, given that some of these people have international carriers which are well reported on in the press etc. This might be a necessary step afterwards and would further legitimize this article. I also added numerous external references, often from international sources (in French, English, German and Romanian) and websites of renowned magazines or newspapers ("Focus" is a major german weekly magazine) which attest both to the authenticity and notability of the competition, and the news of the prizewinners' victories. Still, I haven't quite gotten the system for editing references (they look a little chaotic at the end of the article, while I've seen pages with a well organized source part).Lysander3105 (talk) 10:59, 30 November 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Dane  talk  01:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:48, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, or possibly redirect to List of classical music competitions. Apart from the tiniest article in the local newspaper, I'm struggling to see any substantial coverage. The brief mentions the competition gets are usually in relation to something/someone else (e.g the Focus article is about a student who won the competition, it's not about the competition). Even the winners don't appear to be of any note. Sionk (talk) 23:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * 'Redirect  as suggested. DGG ( talk ) 01:51, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


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