Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lake Shore, Jacksonville, Florida


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Lake Shore, Jacksonville, Florida

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No claim of notability here. While geographic locations can generally be shown to be notable, I'm having problems finding reliable sources for this area. Existing article reads like an essay and includes unreferenced speculation about future improvements and local businesses such as a grocery and roller rink. Supplied references and external links are to a local home owners association and a little league baseball team. Only references to "Lake Shore" in the local paper are to the road or the middle school by the same name. RadioFan (talk) 18:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Does no one have any thoughts on this article?--RadioFan (talk) 15:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  — fetch ·  comms   00:51, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Unverified. This appears to be an informal expression for an area of Jacksonville. The term is used in a number of names of businesses, churches, etc., as well as the middle school, but I could find no official sourcing for it at the City of Jacksonville website or anywhere else. The two references provided at the article do not even mention "Lake Shore". I'm generally in favor of articles about neighborhoods of cities, and the template indicates that there are a dozen other articles about Jacksonville neighborhoods, but I just can't find any verification that this is a real neighborhood. Will change my !vote if shown some evidence that it is real. --MelanieN (talk) 15:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment. Neighborhoods of Jacksonville, Florida mentions many different neighboods, most of which are completely unreferenced and no more or less notable than Lake Shore, so I'm not certain why this one was singled-out to be split-off and then put up on Afd. (Unreferenced material should have been challenged there, not split off to face an Afd.) Lake Shore, which was previously mentioned in the Neighborhoods article, is now completely absent from that article. Location (talk) 20:40, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Lake Shore is shown on WIKIMAPIA (not my doing) with the boundaries mentioned in the revised entry which was (until qiute recently) previously included as a neighborhood of Jacksonville, FL_before I ever offered my 2cents. How anyone could fathom that it is not a "real" neighborhood is beyond reason, comprehension and basic logic. City of Jacksonville recognizes the neighborhood's boundaries, and in truth the oldest public record and available plat maps substantiate my statements. Current real estate deeds to properties north of Lake Shore as defined show that those properties lie in Hillcrest, Riverside Villas, Murray Hill. Ask a local real estate professional. Better yet, consult the property appraiser's section of WWW.COJ.NET (City of Jacksonville's official web address) and use the GIS MAP to navigate your way through the truth! With regard to any issue rising in the form of conflict, I simply ask to be made aware of the SPECIFIC bone you wish to pick. Edit it yourself if you know more of local fact and history, but to remove Lake Shore from Jacksonville's list of neighborhoods is ludacris. Check www.metrojacksonville.com and search Lake Shore, if you need to see that the area described is largely known by locals as I have described. I am old and not the savviest of pc users, but facts are facts, and I have them. I second the statement below regarding this article being singled out. Why? This is not a glamorous neighborhood, but it also isn't the sprawling expanse previously described before I involved myself. Marinate on this: Edgewood Avenue dead-ends into Avondale. Does that mean that all properties along that road are in Avondale? No. Similarly, Lake Shore Boulevard passes through other neighborhoods which are in fact not Lake Shore. Assume good faith! 74.170.103.4 (talk) 07:11, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This subject is receiving attention because it was broken out into a dedicated article where it's essay-like tone and lack of reliable sources as references brought it here. Noone has any particular problem with this area, its just not clear how it might meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.  Looking at the 2 links mentioned above searching Lake Shore on http://www.metrojacksonville.com brings up only hits on the middle school where a community pool is located, no mention of the name as an area of the city.  That same site has a neighborhood section and after paging through 20+ pages of neighborhood info, it is not mentioned anywhere.  A search on the City of Jacksonville website (http://www.coj.net) brings up the middle school and a meeting concerning preservation of the sign leading into the Lake Shore subdivision.  It's common for subdivision names to be included in tax data, and I'm not seeing anything in the GIS application on the City of Jacksonville website to indicate that this is a commonly used designation within the city. Based on the available references, Lake Shore appears to be a well established subdivision in Jacksonville rather than a label, either in common or historic use, for an area of the city.  Based on the efforts to preserve the sign to this subdivision, it seems notable enough to me for a brief mention in the neighborhood article  (without the details on local businesses and boundries that aren't supported by reliable sources) but not as a dedicated article.--RadioFan (talk) 12:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment While it is located within Jacksonville, Lake Shore is listed separately as a populated place in the USGS Geographic Names Information System database (see entry here). In general, places that are classified by the USGS as "populated places" are normally kept. --Polaron | Talk 17:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Changing my !vote to Keep since a reliable source has been produced by Polaron showing it is a recognized place. --MelanieN (talk) 04:52, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The only reliable source that has been brought to light is the USGS one above. With that reference we can create an article identifying the area as a neighborhood in Jacksonville.  The rest of the material in the article still appears to be original research.  I'm still not seeing how a dedicated article that meets notability guidelines can be created on this topic.  A very selective merge back into the article on the neighborhoods of Jacksonville seems appropriate.--RadioFan (talk) 20:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Neighborhoods of Jacksonville, Florida per the above comments by RadioFan. I would like to see this neighborhood/area mentioned there, but I agree that there really isn't enough for a stand-alone article. Location (talk) 21:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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