Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lakota Currency


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 01:51, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Lakota Currency

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The Republic of Lakotah website states that "The Republic of Lakotah is in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor! The website of this unregistered bank doesn't actually say it has an official relationship, only that " Sovereign Members of the Lakota Nation commissioned our currency in partnership with the American Open Currency Standard" (and I'm guessing that 'sovereign members' of this unrecognised nation are like sovereign citizens with no official standing to act on behalf of the group). There doesn't seem to be an official currency yet issued by the Republic of Lakotah. Dougweller (talk) 08:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologies for forgetting about the main reason for deletion - I got too interested in figuring out what this was. It doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:ORG (the article seems to be more about a bank than anything else). Dougweller (talk) 20:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:13, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * keep The site of the Republic of Lakotah does state it has nothing to do with the bank. However, this page has not been well maintained since the death of the former leader. It has been kept up, but the bank of Lakota and the Lakota mint websites have been regularly updated since. In particular the Lakota Mint website was put up only after the death of Russell Means, the former leader. Neutralization would be a better option in this case rather than deletion, I do say this with some bias as the creator of the page. HalifaxnBlack (talk) 19:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * comment fixing the formatting which screwed-up the afd log for todayRoodog2k (talk) 19:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I forgot when writing the AfD to add the main policy reason, which is lack of notability. It also appears that this is basically a money-making venture. I haven't yet figured out the connection between Lakota Mint and Lakota Silver . Dougweller (talk) 20:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Notability does not appear to have been confirmed, since the references are mostly self-published. -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 21:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 11:26, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - I've held back on this one to see if the dedicated numismatists wanted to jump in. Crickets. This appears to be a bullion piece using a pseudo-monetary tie-in as a marketing ploy. This "hard money"/new-insurgent-government angle has the libertarian fringe in a tizzy and there are numerous blog posts on the internets resulting from that. I haven't seen anything which goes to GNG. If somebody has some substantial coverage Coin World, Numismatic News, etc., please do speak up. As for now, I just ain't seeing it... Carrite (talk) 17:59, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete I very strongly agree with those who voiced concern that the "bank" is actually owned and operated by extremist libertarians not associated with the tribe or the tribal secession movement, especially given all the Ayn Rand quotes, and the verbiage peculiar to the sovereign citizen movement. I see nothing to suggest that the currency has been adopted by either the Lakota tribe or the Republic of Lakotah, and there are significant errors in the entry which will undoubtedly mislead many.  For example, the entry fails to note that the Republic of Lakotah and the Lakota People - i.e., the tribe as a whole - are not at all the same, since most Lakota have expressed that they are not interested in joining the secessionist movement; instead, the entry seems to use the terms interchangeably, with no effort to differentiate despite easily located articles on the secession topic.  The "currency" is definitely not notable enough for inclusion, since they just started selling them this month and it is completely unrecognized (and probably illegal, which explains the lack of physical address for a "bank" and a "mint").  However, there's a much more significant concern than merely whether it qualifies as notable, in that there's a grave danger that the very existence of a Wikipedia entry on this "currency" will be used to lend credibility which otherwise does not exist, and thus mislead or even scam the unsuspecting.  I would therefore very strongly suggest not only immediate deletion, but also a block on re-creation.HillbillyGoat (talk) 00:27, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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