Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lalita Iyer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. As sources have been found and the article basically rewritten since the nomination. Liz Read! Talk! 04:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Lalita Iyer

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Her books and other journalistic articles; are not yet regarded noteworthy or considered significant. RPSkokie (talk) 04:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn by nominator: There was a misunderstanding on my part about the notability of the author, and I am sorry about it. RPSkokie (talk) 15:25, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Authors, Journalism,  and India. RPSkokie (talk) 04:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Not my favourite nomination, I have to say, but I would broadly agree that a writer/journalist doing writing/journalism doesn't get us past WP:GNG. Sourcing to blogs and the writer's own work doesn't help - and there's not enough coverage generated on the books to make them notable works (and therefore to make the subject a notable author). Search shows a prolific writer/freelance (MoneyControl, Quint, Quartz, Mint - she's contributed to any number of Indian titles) but that ain't notability either - journalists journalist. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Alexandermcnabb correct. Journalists' journalist circle = a mutual back-scratching group. So reviews originating from a such group should be taken with a pinch of salt. RPSkokie (talk) 04:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Her work did not get uniformly positive reviews, and she was the managing editor of Filmfare magazine when she began publishing books. Her other journalism work does not seem sufficient to undermine the reviews without an actual reason to doubt independence, such as a conflict-of-interest. Beccaynr (talk) 05:00, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Beccaynr checked. your's a valid point. RPSkokie (talk) 05:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete agree with above. You can find lots of stuff she's written, but nothing about her. There seems to be a cosmetics chemist in the USA with the same/similar name, so you get hits for both individuals. Oaktree b (talk) 16:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Maharashtra.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:AUTHOR - she has written multiple books with multiple reviews, e.g. Queen of Hearts: FirstPost, Deccan Herald, Hindustan Times (article about book and author: Indian Express); The Whole Shebang: Sticky Bits of Being a Woman: Scroll.in, The Hindu, The Print, Verve (capsule); I’m Pregnant, Not Terminally Ill, You Idiot!: Hindustan Times, Indian Express, New Indian Express. The article can be expanded and revised to incorporate additional sources and more clearly reflect her notability. There is also brief coverage of her blog in the Hindu. Beccaynr (talk) 21:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC) source added Beccaynr (talk) 21:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC) sources added Beccaynr (talk) 21:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC), sources added Beccaynr (talk) 22:51, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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 * Comment I have revised/expanded the article. Courtesy pings:, , . Beccaynr (talk) 18:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment none of these sources are about her. She's barely mentioned in most of them; the subject of each article is about a different topic, not about her. Nothing we can use. A blog post isn't a RS either. Oaktree b (talk) 22:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The multiple reviews of her multiple books in news outlets are about her, because they are about her work, as an author, which is sufficient to show notability per the WP:AUTHOR#3 notability guideline. Two of her books also happen to be memoir-style, and the reviews are also "about her", to the extent that WP:BASIC support is needed in addition to what is typically sufficient for authors of multiple notable works that are the primary subject of multiple reviews. The reviews are secondary coverage of her work, which supports her encyclopedic notability. Beccaynr (talk) 23:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, the 'keep' reasoning from the recent Rimi B. Chatterjee AfD (an author of multiple works with multiple reviews in news outlets) seems to apply here. Beccaynr (talk) 01:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Beccaynr Thanks for the edits. But I am still uncertain about this author's notability. My situation was very analogous while evaluating Ed Douglas, the author of Himalaya: A Human History, and Amrita Jash, the author of The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy. The books they have authored have been validated as per WP:NBOOKS, but I could not locate any pertinent material written about them. So, it seems this discussion is becoming very much open-ended and I have no problem with that at all because there is a fundamental misconception about how WP:AUTHOR is applied. Looking forward to gaining some insight from this. RPSkokie (talk) 03:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * When an author only has one notable work that is not well-known or significant, I tend to favor creating a book article, unless there is additional support for notability (e.g. the recent Srutimala Duara Afd), but when an author has written multiple notable works (e.g. the recent Yasmin Seale Afd), the secondary coverage of multiple works supports the notability of the author, because this is a collective body of work, per WP:AUTHOR#3. For this subject, reviews and other sources include information about her personal life and career and help develop the article, but WP:AUTHOR does not require personal information, similar to how sportspeople, politicians, academics, and entertainers do not need trivial information irrelevant to their notability to be included in their article. Beccaynr (talk) 04:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Beccaynr (talk) 05:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. The multiple reviews of multiple books listed above and now incorporated into the article demonstrate a clear pass of WP:AUTHOR. Re "I could not locate any pertinent material written about them": this is deliberately obtuse. Coverage of an author's books is coverage about them, just like coverage of an athlete's sporting accomplishments or coverage of a politician's election victories is coverage about them. What do you expect coverage of an author to look like? The only potential issue for notability of authors through published reviews is WP:BIO1E in cases where there is only one reviewed work, but that is irrelevant for this author because we have multiple reviewed works. —David Eppstein (talk) 14:43, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep due to reviews of multiple works, as explained by Beccaynr above, to warrant a pass of WP:NAUTHOR. I note this nomination has been withdrawn, but it can't be speedy kept as there are some delete !votes. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:AUTHOR. Multiple reviews in reliable/respectable newspaper sources. Jahaza (talk) 04:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


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