Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laman Jegan Joof


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 04:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Laman Jegan Joof

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This article about an alleged eleventh century nobleman is unverifiable. There are zero Google Books or Google Scholar search results for any of the given spelling variants of his name. None of the alleged sources are online and a Google Web search produces only Wikipedia mirrors and random forum-type websites. I became aware of this article after examining the contributions of its author, who has written another article deleted as unverifiable, see Articles for deletion/Thiemassassians, and now also Articles for deletion/Xoy Ceremony‎ and Articles for deletion/Sererism.  Sandstein  20:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello,

I noticed that you have nominated my articles for deletion, i.e. Laman Jegan Joof etc. You also seems to accuse me of other things which I shall not go through here. I am just wondering when you where planning to delete the Laman Jegan Joof, Xoy Ceremony, and Sererism articles whether you have thought about other possible variations of the name or at least consult me? If you asked me, I would have told you that, the surname "Joof" for instance, is the same as "Diouf". Joof is the English spelling and Diouf is the French spelling. The same is for Djegan/Djigan. Since I speak and write in English, I have to use the English spelling (Jegan) and not the French spelling(Djegan/Djigan). You said there is nothing on Google. This is the same thing I have been accused of by certain Administrators even after providing sources. Even after citing "The state must be our master of fire" in the Jegan Joof article, that is still not enough for you. You said there is nothing on google. Have you tried googling:

Djigan Diouf

Please stop jumping to conclusions and accusing people of things. I have better things to do with my time and effort than to waste all my time and energy producing these articles if I didn't have verifiable sources for them.

Tamsier (talk) 22:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, there are two or three Googleable sources about a person called "Djigan Diouf". But the Google preview of the book "The state must be our master of fire" that is cited in the article does not support the extensive contents of the article. Rather, it mentions Djigan Diouf as a hero in oral history who lit a fire to found a village; there's nothing about Serer royalty, him ruling a kingdom etc. This still makes the substance of the article unverifiable.  Sandstein   05:39, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete as unverifiable. Edward321 (talk) 23:44, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

For those Serers who wants to know who this person is and why he always nominate Serer related articles for deletion, take a look at the following link:
 * Thank you Edward321.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sererism

Tamsier (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The source provided by the author is the same source cited by Sandstein which in fact justifies why this article should be kept. Also the article did state he had some form of argument with his relative the king and had to leave Lambaye. For me, this undoubted give credence to the fact that he was indeed a noble.  Anti Bullying Warrior (talk) 19:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC) — User: (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at Anti Bullying Warrior (UTC).
 * So we have a source which says that he had "some form of argument" with the king and had to leave, but does nothing to confirm anything else in the article. That seems to me to be a rather thin reason for keeping. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Anti Bullying Warrior has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Tamsier. noq (talk) 16:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete unless someone can produce verifiable sources that support a significant part of the content of the article, which has not been done yet. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Not enough sources to back-up the majority of content in the article. Delete per WP:OR. I, Jethrobot drop me a line 23:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


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