Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lamar Johnson (prisoner)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Even those who agreed to keep seemed to agree that the article is not in appropriate shape and may even confuse two different people with the same name, and as we are dealing with a BLP, that tips the scales toward deletion. This is without prejudice toward creation of articles about notable events which may have involved either individual, provided that they are written in accordance with BLP and care is taken to ensure that material about one is not mixed up with the other. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:57, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Lamar Johnson (prisoner)

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Notability and other issues. This is a page about the person who is not notable. Even if the event (trial or some other process) was notable, this living person is not notable to the level required for the encyclopedia. A few articles about his conviction do not make him notable. There are numerous other examples setting a standard when a person who was on trial becomes notable. This person is not. Compare with Kyle Rittenhouse, for example. Even a few days after half of the world watched the trial and knew about him, it was decided that Rittenhouse was not notable enough for Wikipedia to have a page about a person. Topjur01 (talk) 20:21, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2021 November 23.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 20:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I add a comment: This page started as a hoax. It stated "Lamar Johnson, the first person that was released from prison for a wrongful conviction in Maryland under the new Conviction Integrity Unit research." which was false. This person was not released from prison. Later the page was remodeled but still no Notability standard reached. Topjur01 (talk) 20:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete hoax article, delete. Almost tempted to salt it... Oaktree b (talk) 01:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Right now not enough coverage to justify inclusion. Fails WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Well, if the person is not notable, his case surely is. Maybe you could change the title to 'Lamar Johnson case' or something similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:C400:96C:E82D:4F99:71D7:2543 (talk) 05:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per above, article as stands is a POVish mess but case seems notable, see PBS, Kansas City Star, The Intercept, Fox2, USA Today, KCTV, NBS etc; with coverage ongoing from 2020 to August 2021. Rusalkii  (talk) 03:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Re:hoax, there are two Lamar Johnsons who had been imprisoned for murders they claimed they didn't commit and had newspaper articles written about them. One in St. Louis in 1994, who is still in prison and has the article written about him, and one in Baltimore in 2004, who was exonerated in 2017 under the Conviction Integrity Program. Presumably the article started about the Maryland man and transformed somehow into the St. Louis one in the news in 2021. Rusalkii  (talk) 03:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment since this article is clearly a mess, it combines content about two people, the person is not notable, his case appeared in media a few times but not more than hundreds of other court cases so it is not reallu enclyclopedia-level notable, can we send it to sandbox and authors submit it when it is properly written and sourced? Or what other options do we have? Topjur01 (talk) 16:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The article as it stands is clearly about the St. Louis Johnson still in prison. I can't see anything at all about the Baltimore Johnson on the page. I've cleaned up some of the POV and made sure key claims were cited. Rusalkii  (talk) 20:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I would create a new page for the St. Louis Johnson and revert this page back to the last version clearly about Baltimore Johnson (this, I believe). Both seem notable to me, since most murder trials do not receive nearly this much attention usually. Baltimore Johnson is more borderline and may deserve his own AfD once its actually about him and not St. Louis Johnson. Rusalkii  (talk) 20:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The murder of Marcus Boyd, the trial, and legal proceedings after the conviction might be notable. But the subject is not notable as the person. He does not appear in media about other events except for the ones related to the murder or legal proceedings surrounding the murder and conviction. Just like with other persons who do not get encyclopedia entries as persons but appear in encyclopedia entries about events, I believe in this case Wikipedia could have an entry about the event, not the person. Topjur01 (talk) 20:11, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.