Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lana Tisdel


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The result was no consensus. Michig (talk) 08:02, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Lana Tisdel

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Appears to be a non-notable person, despite peripheral involvement in a notable event. Tiny bit of newsy coverage around her suing the filmmakers of a film based on the event, but nothing lasting and/or focused on her. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 01:47, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep there is a lot of public interest in this person as she was highly involved in a triple homicide and the following events, as well as portrayed in an Academy Award winning film. Should also be noted the nominator put the article up for deletion after an edit dispute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HesioneHushabye (talk • contribs) 02:00, 19 February 2015 (UTC))
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E, with apologies to the article creator who is doing yeoman's work trying to piece together content from a few sources into a meaningful biography. Unfortunately, accident reports and sources like mylife.com are not acceptable for a BLP. The article is mostly content from Brandon Teena, or gleaned from the film Boys Don't Cry. There's not much more to say about Lana Tisdel beyond her involvement in this very sad event.- MrX 02:09, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The article was built from Lana and her mother and sister's perspective and contains information you won't find on Brandon Teena's page. HesioneHushabye (talk) 02:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That would suggest a POVFORK which is undesirable in a neutral encyclopedia.- MrX 02:26, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I meant that the page used to be redirected to Brandon Teena's page, when it shouldn't. There is information about Lana that should be on it's own page and not on Brandon's page.HesioneHushabye (talk) 02:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as per . I searched for in-depth multiple independent references to try to establish the notability of this person and did not find any, other than mentions about the event, the lawsuit, relation to the film. So WP:BLP1E applies.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:47, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * well your google search isn't going to help when the murders took place in 1993, before the internet. the only good articles you will find are ones from major sites with archives available like New York Times, Los Angeles Times or Chicago Tribune  (which are located in the article).

here is a portion of Lana Tisdel from the 1998 documentary about the murders and here is a link to the real Lana's facebook page (now Lana Bachman, living in Centralia, Kansas . If you do a simple book search through google books, you will find Lana Tisdel in over a dozen of them (which includes magazine articles, like  and  HesioneHushabye (talk) 13:42, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes I suppose, but still my sense is this person was a one-time participant in a once-hot story, which has been somewhat sustained because there was a movie adaptation, then a lawsuit, but still it looks like a one-event to me. There are other ways to examine whether this article belongs here. One way is to try to fill in the rest of the sentence: Lana Tisdel is notable for.... Now, I am wondering how you might complete that sentence; What is she notable for? Another way I have, which I know is an unofficial method, but I have often used it as a way to get a sense of how notable a subject is, by examining pageviews; here, this article crawls along with 1-5 pageviews a day, suggesting a severe drought of eyeball traffic, except of course for the deletion discussion in the past day or so. My advice would be, if you wish to keep this subject alive in Wikipedia, to add well-referenced comments to the Brandon Teena article, but to have a separate article on one of the participants in that tragedy, really, it is kind of original research and undue coverage, bordering on turning Wikipedia into a blogsite or newspaper.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:01, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Brandon Teena is deceased, and only his information and his family should be mentioned on his page. Lana is alive, and her mother and sister were involved in everything and that information can be on Lana's page. Also, this page didn't exist until Tuesday, so it hardly has time to have page views. If you read the article, it clearly states Lana Tisdel is an American woman whose early life and involvement with the 1993 murder of Brandon Teena was chronicled in the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 film Boys Don't Cry. She was portrayed in the film by Chloë Sevigny, who was nominated for an Academy Award for her performance as Tisdel. Also, in doing research on the subject, there are posts on various message boards wondering what happened to "the real Lana", people craving for information on her after watching the film, but this information has not been grouped together like it could be on Wikipedia. To call it a one-time event doesn't apply when there are multiple books and movies about Lana Tisdel that people watch/ read unknown times daily. 15:14, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You did not respond to my questions in my previous post, but rather simply reiterated parts of the wiki article on Tisdel. Regarding your comment that "Brandon Teena ... only his information and his family should be mentioned on his page", well, what is the logic of that? Isn't the Tisdel stuff part of the Teena story? I don't see why you can't include facts about Tisdel that you feel are relevant to the Teena page, which gets hundreds of daily pageviews. I understand how you can be attached to a particular subject -- I have had articles that I spent a week on, deleted -- so I understand how you may feel. It is hard getting distance and perspective on a subject which you are evidently quite close to, but you might find that, over time, if this article gets deleted, if your experience parallels mine, that you will begin to see the wisdom about Wikipedia's rules, and accept this wisdom, and from a more detached and objective state you may find that you are happier overall.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Your comment makes no sense, you asked me to state why she's notable and I did. and no, Lana's information about her life and her family's involvement should be on her own page, not on Teena's page. if you watched the video I posted on Youtube (just posted December 2014, it has over 4,000 views. HesioneHushabye (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * No you did not explain why she's notable. Marie Curie won a Nobel Prize; Karyn Marshall was world weightlifting champion; these and many other notable women did notable things, such as making scientific discoveries or breaking down gender barriers. What did Lana Tisdel do, create, write? She was involved with a murder victim. So, that's the story? You've got two pages of text to say essentially that? As I'm trying to say, you are too close to this subject to see things objectively. Also, YouTube is not a reliable source.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I see, well Lana Tisdel had an Academy Award-winning movie made about her, yes it's Brandon Teena's story, but the film focuses on the relationship between Brandon and Lana. The fact that these people, and this story, is very popular and well-known is not up for debate. a simple google search of "Lana Tisdel" shows books, photos, magazines, and videos of her. HesioneHushabye (talk) 18:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. The multiple books and movies aren't about Lana Tisdel, they are about Brandon Teena. They certainly all mention Tisdel, but only as Teena's girlfriend. Not in her own right. They similarly mention Teena's mom and Teena's killers - we could just as well write those three articles, except most of their content would again be not about their titular subject, but about Brandon Teena. --GRuban (talk) 16:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * you are false, the book All She Wanted is a biography of all the people involved, and especially the Tisdel family. Lana and her mother are featured prominently in the film. There should be Wiki articles on all of the subjects, there certainly are numerous articles on Wikipedia about murder victims and their killers. It's actually quite upsetting that the murder events don't even have their own page. and Lana and Brandon Teena's relationship and the dynamics between them are hugely popular, and studied by LGBT researchers, which is noted in the many books and magazine I linked to. HesioneHushabye (talk) 16:10, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep as sufficiently notable as a result of the BLP1E murder, the film performance, articles in trans friendly magazines, and in scholarly academic works.   NYT shows five uses .  The story is important to the trans dialogue.  Found in a large number of trans-related magazines and books, and also in general non-fiction serious books.   signed releases for publicity and use of her story.  details her lawsuit to put the genie back in the bottle.  Her damages were nominal - based on her being depicted as a lesbian to some extent.  is a scholarly work (UMass Press) and is salient here ...  and Lana is key to that book.   is for an event other than the "film" ...   from Columbia University Press also covers Lana in detail.  Large amounts of coverage in mass media,  not just about the murder (BLP1E fails) but about gender issues in general, and multiple mentions in scholarly books published by university presses seems to make "notable" dead cert. Collect (talk) 22:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw those sources too; they're really mentions. The subject of the story is not Tisdel but the murder and trans-gender issues. I still don't think anybody can adequately complete the sentence Lana Tisdel is notable for....--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:49, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * yeah well when an actor is hired to portray you in a film and you become an icon in the LGBT community like Lana Tisdel, please let me know Tomwsulcer. HesioneHushabye (talk) 22:55, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep - clearly passes WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 02:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep She is plenty notable to have an article. In addition, the third criteria for WP:One-event is not met for it to be a one-event because the story is significant. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 03:48, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sufficient sources, passes WP:GNG. – Davey 2010 Talk 04:57, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 04:39, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment:Lana is clearly notable, this is such a clear case of WP:GNG. non-notable person, does not apply to someone involved in a much featured event.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:48, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
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