Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lancaster Bombers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I have decided against a redirect, following the precedent of the previous similar AfDs cited, and because in this particular case confusion with the aircraft would make a redirect less useful. Anyone interested is likely to be able to find the BUAFL article. JohnCD (talk) 21:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Lancaster Bombers

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Non-notable team taking part in what is essentially a niche sport in Britain. Previous AfDs (including all of Articles for deletion/Durham Saints, Articles for deletion/Edinburgh Predators, Articles for deletion/Swansea Titans, Articles for deletion/Essex Blades (American football), Articles for deletion/UEA Pirates and Articles for deletion/NTU Renegades) have all resulted in delete, and I can't find any reliable sources to grant this notability (a Google search may bring up a large number of results, but a lot of those are for a WWII plane). DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) &#124; (talk to me) &#124; (What I've done) 13:07, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete as per all the others. Arguments there apply equally to this team, for which there do not appear to be reliable sources available.  As elsewhere, even in major sports it is an unusual university team in the UK that meets our notability guidelines: this team is not an exception to the general rule that UK university sports teams are not notable. Pfainuk talk 13:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 14:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 14:07, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to BUAFL, and probably add a passing mention in Lancaster University. There does not appear to be any coverage that might satisfy the general notability guideline, but a redirect is preferable to deletion here since a reader will still find relevant information at the BUAFL page. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 14:26, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above. Not a professional team, and a long way from the highest level of amateur sport. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 15:46, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per arguments made in numerous other Afds. Sports teams at UK universities rarely have a following in their own institution never mind in the "real world". This team does not appear to be an exception. Completely unreferenced, no doubt because google turns up nothing other than sites directly linked to the team and its rivals.  If you are unsure as to the notability go to the gallery on the team's own website, and count the number in the "crowd". Pit-yacker (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, but how is it not preferable to redirect the article to BUAFL instead of deleting it? -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 12:29, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone searching for Lancaster Bombers, I would suggest, is far more likely to be looking for the Avro Lancaster (commonly known as the Lancaster Bomber) than anything to do with American Football. So, BUAFL would not be the primary redirect target.
 * I'd add that I rather feel that the BUAFL itself very probably fails our notability criteria. If it is deleted, obviously, the question of redirecting or deleting this page is moot. Pfainuk talk 17:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Quite aside from whether BUAFL is itself notable, I have to confess to not personally being a fan of such redirects. I personally think it should be obvious why you have ended up at an article.  If you know nothing about Lancaster Bombers (and lets face it, unless you are involved with BUAFL, you probably wont), there is a good chance that a user may be left wondering why they got to the page BUAFL (especially if they meant to search for Lancaster Bomber).  If Lancaster Bombers is deleted, BUAFL should still be returned in a search result (as long as it isn't deleted).  However, it will also leave room for other articles to be suggested by the search engine such as perhaps Lancaster University or Lancaster Bomber. Pit-yacker (talk) 20:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's a good point about the Avro Lancaster, but (leaving aside for the moment the issue of whether the BUAFL is notable), I would still see it as beneficial for this to point an individual in the right direction. Ideally they wouldn't have to use an external search engine to find content regarding this team.  How would you feel about a disambiguation page instead, is that a reasonable compromise?  We could also place  somewhere appropriate. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 00:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete no sources, no article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:54, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
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