Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Landesförderinstitut


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The result was keep. Nominator withdraw. (non-admin closure)  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 22:32, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Landesförderinstitut

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Subject is a promotional bank with trivial coverage provided. Fails WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRITE  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 18:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 18:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 18:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - There's coverage if you search for "Promotional banks", "State development banks" and so forth these do seem to receive some coverage but I'm not sure I understand enough about this (or speak German well enough) to decide either way. E.g., 1. I'd be very cautious in deleting this article without getting input from a German-speaker. PS - the subject is not A promotional bank, it is promotional banks in general. FOARP (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment The point here the article at the present state fails notability guidelines of Wikipedia requirements. Creator has been asked to provide singnificant coverage of RS and IS a number of times in new page and AfC and fails to do.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 18:57, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Since when was the present state of the article, or the failure of the creator to do something, a reason for delete? We've got to do WP:BEFORE and consider WP:NEXIST, especially for subject matter (German regional development banks) that just screams "notable". FOARP (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment It is a German bank. A before is hard to do (I dont read German), If you could provide independent, reliable sources (3 sources), and provide inline citations, then I am happy to immediate withdraw the nomination. Thank you <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 19:26, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Which is why I'm saying we need input from a German speaker here. This is a non-BLP article so there's no rush for deletion here. Based on a simple Google Scholar search I see this paper which appears to be about German State Development Banks. This paper appears to have a section on State Development Banks. I also see a reference to another paper (Jung, M. (2003): Landesförderinstitute in Deutschland — Konzepte für eine moderne Mittelstandsfinanzierung in Hamburg, im Auftrag der Bürgengemeinschaft Hamburg) which appears to be about State Development Banks. However, I have only GCSE German and cannot read the articles. FOARP (talk) 19:56, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links provided but it is of PDF-like format and I cant get them translated. Anyone who reads this post, and if you know German language do assist if possible to provide 3 independent, reliable sources (inline citation in the article), so I would withdraw the nomination at once. thank you. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 20:19, 29 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment This seems to be a class of banks, either established by German federal law or common enough in Germany that federal law recognises a class that already exists. Federal/national legal matters in anglophone countries are generally notable, so if these banks are a creature of the law, they'd be notable in the US or Australia or the UK.  And if it's a common class that the law merely recognises, the class is definitely notable: legislators wouldn't know what these banks were (and thus wouldn't legislate for them) if they didn't have reliable sources explaining what these banks are, what they do, etc.  Nyttend (talk) 21:16, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * German comment Does not seem to be an official institution. The name may be misleading. See, emphasis mine: Landesförderinstitut – der Name ist ebenso sperrig wie falsch. Denn um eine Einrichtung des Landes handelt es sich nicht. Oder wie es LFI-Chef Roland Machner formulierte: „Wir sind keine langweilige Behörde.“ Es ist vielmehr ein „Geschäftsbereich der Nord LB“, also der Norddeutschen Landesbank, wie am Eingang zu lesen ist. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:35, 29 December 2018 (UTC) (striked after the following comment had already been sent ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:55, 29 December 2018 (UTC))
 * ToBeFree, see my comment. Do you think it's my second situation (a common kind of bank that the law merely addresses), or do you think I've misunderstood entirely?  The latter is quite possible :-)  Nyttend (talk) 21:43, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Additional note: The "Nord LB" mentioned in the "ostsee-zeitung" is Norddeutsche Landesbank. The Landesförderinstitut of the state Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is a business branch of the Norddeutsche Landesbank. The "Landesförderinstitut"s are, by their statute, acting by governmental commission. The German Wikipedia article mentions §5 of the following page as a source for this statement: https://recht.nrw.de/lmi/owa/br_vbl_detail_text?anw_nr=6&vd_id=14982&ver=8&val=14982&sg=&menu=1&vd_back=NOfficial German law pages are very reliable but not "independent" sources. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:55, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The following law has been passed by the Landtag of North Rhine-Westphalia: ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:04, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * These seem to have been created by law. Took me quite a while to understand enough to be able to say that boldly. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment Thank you the input and assistance of . Truly appreciate it. It seems like the same thing/case of a very credible academics or reliable publication house publishes serious academic books yet independent sources are hard to come by. Thanks again. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 22:30, 29 December 2018 (UTC)


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