Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lane Cove Rugby


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. –MuZemike 02:38, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Lane Cove Rugby

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No indication of notability. Vague claims to an alliance with Belsize Park Football Club not relevant to establish notability and current Belsize Park RFC is not the historical club anyway. noq (talk) 10:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * unrelated to previous editors, I am working on wikifying this entry. I believe it should stay. I have deleted obviously "personal" edits and believe several points of fact will be a useful addition to wikipedia's coverage of New South Wales Rugby Union, Australian Rugby and related material. The Club is cross referenced in other wikipedia articles like Kentwell Cup and Ken Yanz. I will proceed with improvements. Picturesk (talk) 10:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 13:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Keep. This club is one of the oldest in the New South Wales Suburban Rugby Union, it has won the Kentwell Cup and Judd Cup more than once and also won the Whiddon Cup and Jeffrey Cup. The Club was a leader in Subbies during the 1960s in particular and remains in existence to the present. A number of major players have played with the club, including Wallabies Ken Yanz and Saxon White, as well as other notable Australians including John Singleton (Australian entrepreneur). The article itself has now been expanded and sourced and dubious material deleted. Citation tags have been added for remaining unsourced material.Picturesk (talk) 23:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment There are no independent sources that show notability. The club itself is not particularly old and there does not appear to be anything reliably sourced about any significant claim. There is nothing about Saxon White, the given reference to John Singleton does not even say he played for them - only for a team they were associated with. Most of the sources given are to tables that do not show any notability. The club itself appears to be an amateur club with no clear claim to being significant in the pre professional era. noq (talk) 01:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Reply There are independent sources that demonstrate notability (I am defining notability at least as requiring the winning of important competitions and producing national and state representative players). For example, the links to the New South Wales Suburban Rugby Union show that Lane Cove won the Kentwell Cup more than once and this is the major Sydney suburban trophy. The site also shows they won several other trophies - (what it doesn't show is that they were frequently in the finals of these competitions as well - sorry not sure how to source this for the moment). Furthermore, Australian Rugby Union The Game and The Players by Jack Pollard is a definitive source on Australian rugby by a major sports journalist and it notes Ken Yanz started at Lane Cove. There were plenty of contemporary news reports on John Singleton's involvement with the club. I will search for links to more definitive example than currently linked.Picturesk (talk) 01:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep has some longevity, and also a couple of notable players.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete it's in the fifth division. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:54, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * reply The seniors are currently in 5th Div, but historically were successful in First Division. And given that their juniors are thriving, and tour internationally to New Zealand, the seniors may only be in a temporary slump.Picturesk (talk) 09:45, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * If you can provide some links to some of the news stories, even old ones it will go a long way to keeping this article. AIR corn (talk) 10:48, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, John Singleton (Australian entrepreneur) entry now confirmed by 2008 The Daily Telegraph (Australia) article and Ken Yanz by 1957 The Advertiser Article.Picturesk (talk) 23:48, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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