Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lane End Primary School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Please defer merge discussion to article talk. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 09:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Lane End Primary School
Please note there are two different Alex's in this discussion!
 * Comment Why do both of you not use your Wikipedia user names? Not doing so makes this hard to follow and misleading at times. TheRanger 14:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Mine has the (Talk) after it. --Alex (Talk) 14:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Non-notable primary (elementary) school. Does not appear to pass WP:SCHOOLS. --Alex (Talk) 18:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I Guess I'm just awkward :-), neither of us are intending to mislead anyone--Alex 14:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Original article has now been expanded, referenced and more detail added, including links from UK Government and BBC. As such I have divided this into comments after and before revisions--Alex 09:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge with Cheadle Hulme per WP:SCHOOL and WP:LOCAL, or expand. If anyone wants to expand the article, they might find  useful.  Probably other third-party references out there too.  JYolkowski // talk 20:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: constructive and new references have been added as per suggestion.--Alex 16:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see anything worth merging. Arbusto 20:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment further work has now been added along with references and some background information.
 * Delete Fails to assert notability. Not worth a merger.-- Hús  ö  nd  21:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge per JYolkowski Jcuk 22:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I do not believe there is any article that a merger would be suitable in unless we require an article of Primary Schools in Cheadle Hulme. Personally I don't think this would work at this stage. --Alex 13:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete OFSTED is the only thing I can find on the school that is non-trivial. Falls afoul of WP:V and Wikipedia is not a directory even before one gets to notability issues. JoshuaZ 01:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Weak delete Vortex's modifications make the article have some claim of notability (the criminal who used the building as a hideout) but this is a minimal claim. I am however happy that the WP:V issues have been dealt with. JoshuaZ 15:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment WP:V issues now addressed with a number of references and mending altered link.--Alex 16:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep All schools are inherently notable, much room for expansion of article. -- Librarianofages 04:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Do you have any basis for the claim that all schools are inherently notable? And please bear in mind that this is a primary school. JoshuaZ 04:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * All schools are not inherently notable Delete--64.121.58.61 12:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment this is not a constructive reason for a delete vote --Alex 16:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into Cheadle Hulme per JYolkowski. No, there is not some kind of automatic notability for schools. Extraordinary Machine 15:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Note everyone saying "Merge" please be aware there are 10 primary schools in Cheadle Hulme – it would be therefore impractical to merge just one primary school. --Alex (Talk) 15:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * CommentNot necessarily, editors can always be bold and merge and/or write about the other nine in the Cheadle Hulme article.  JYolkowski // talk 02:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable school. Wikipedia is not a directory. &mdash;ptk✰fgs 18:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This is not a directory article! Have you read it?--Alex 16:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. The version as of Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:37 UTC does not contain any assertion of notability. &mdash;ptk✰fgs 17:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge or expand this one makes the most sense here to me too Yuckfoo 01:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Working on the expansion but I'm not going to be able to write a full article on the school over the next day!--Alex 16:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, or merge if desired. The content meets our content policies. Christopher Parham (talk) 17:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I think this justifies keep or at least a merge oh grumpy deletionists!. As the original author of the page, I am surprised it has caused so much debate! I am an ex pupil of the primary school so added it with a view to expansion. I think there were a couple of famous people from the school but I can't for the life of me think who. I think you will find it has been in existance for over 50 years (as per WP:SCHOOLS) also but has a slight alteration to the original layout --Alex 08:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact it was built in the late '60s (I used to work there, that is my source). --Alex (Talk) 11:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well nearly 50 years old or do we have to wait another 10 years!? ;-) Did you work with Mr Thersbey? Hes been going years now! I would also debate that those who have used here the reason "wikipedia is not a directory" this is not a directory article and relates to the school and its history & development. Its a poor reason for deletion.--Alex 08:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Added more detail and referencesAlex 09:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, he is still the head there. Also, I think you should remove the reference to "me" because me saying how old the school is doesn't make it verifiable. --Alex (Talk) 10:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have removed it. --Alex (Talk) 10:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh come on a little humour please!--Alex 10:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The issues raised with problems on WP:V should now be addressed by the number of links posted on the article, including government and bbc verifiable links. I have also added a link showing the school achieves above the regional and national average and caters for disabled students.Alex 15:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete nn school. Carlossuarez46 18:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete. Vegaswikian 05:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I've spent a little time expanding the article from childhood memory, especially the incident regarding Criminals using the old school as a hideout. This might seem far fetched but it happened and there was a chase across the nearby estate when they found them. I don't have a reference for this but may be able to dig one out from a local paper.--Alex 16:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Would this not be original research which is not allowed? TheRanger 14:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm adding to this through personal knowledge. If I found an article from a local newspaper surely this would be a valid refernce?!--Alex 14:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You are correct if you found a newspaper refernce it would be valid. However being personal knowledge it is clearly original research and should not be used. TheRanger 16:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep enough information here to justify a stub for later expansion. 81.168.117.85 08:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per my usual arguments, the article as it presently stands does meet the proposed WP:SCHOOLS guideline for what its worth. Silensor 05:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The WP:SCHOOLS guideline is a failed consensus, so it's worth not much; and under what provision of that proposal do you think this school meets? Carlossuarez46 00:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, as with all schools, notable to the local community and it has encyclopedic value. bbx 07:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep notable enough in my opinion to qualify for an article. -- Kf4bdy talk contribs 17:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well referenced article. --JJay 18:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess having a slew of "citations needed" flags passes for well-referenced in the world where all schools are notable. The Schoolists will win the battle, but it's WP that loses. Carlossuarez46 00:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Everyone wins. --JJay 00:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep for all the reasons listsed. Its a notable school. Audiobooks 19:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.