Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Language and linguistics in Frank Herbert's Dune


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Dune universe. Shimeru (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Language and linguistics in Frank Herbert's Dune
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PROD declined. Zero references with which to establish notability of this particular subset of in-universe material; the title is awkward and thus an unlikely search phrase; and every incoming link is from the tangled web of purely in-universe cruft that makes up WP's greater Dune coverage. Looking for references, I've found the odd result which could tenuously be considered to cover the subject "language and linguistics in Frank Herbert's Dune", but the only one which directly covers any material actually in the present article appears either to be a copyright vio or the source of one (see the paragraph beginning "Herbert’s attention to linguistic detail").

If a merge target which is not likely to remain an abandoned stockpile of fancruft can be found then so be it. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
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 * Merge to Dune universe; seems like an obvious target as it's not about any one book or character. --Gwern (contribs) 16:13 29 April 2010 (GMT)
 * The question is whether a merge saves any encyclopedic content. That does not appear to be the case. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You say so. There's plenty to merge. The Voice, obviously, may already be there. The dinner party scene is analyzed with something like 10 pages of William Touponce's Frank Herbert, and it's one of the very few (only?) parts of Dune that Frank Herbert recorded himself reading; the languages themselves would go fine in the terminology list. And so on. --Gwern (contribs) 21:52 29 April 2010 (GMT)


 * Merge to Dune universe. Dune is one of the most notable franchises in SF, and as such imparts notability on major aspects of the work. The question remains whether the current material is verifiable and does not contain original interpretations (for example, who ordered linguistic determinism?), but I remember seeing extensive discourses on the topics of the article, and if I remember correctly Dreamer of Dune also contains some usable material, so I'm confident that is not an unresolvable issue. Dune universe is actually on the large side, but the present article is not long. --Lambiam 22:27, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete this topic should be merged to Dune Universe, but the actual commentary appears to be original research. Needs legitimate references to authority before it is notable enough for merging. Sadads (talk) 18:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge as suggested The content is sufficiently verifiable from the primary source and is not OR, but this is not sufficiently significant for a separate article.  DGG ( talk ) 02:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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