Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lansdowne (electoral district)


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The result was keep. Tone 18:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Lansdowne (electoral district)

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Notability isn’t established because topic has not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject WP:GNG JaneciaTaylor (talk) 17:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Manitoba-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:07, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

I thought notability would be an issue, because I thought it doesn’t really have any reliable sources or coverage on that topic. If it does let me know. JaneciaTaylor (talk) 20:08, 1 December 2019 (UTC) How do you find the information from the archives? JaneciaTaylor (talk) 17:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2019 December 1.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 18:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you claiming it's fake? If not, it should probably be kept. The nomination is misguided, what source would be "independent of" an electoral district? Geschichte (talk) 19:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. No valid reason has been given for deletion. We have a whole Category:Defunct Manitoba provincial electoral districts, and it's definitely legit. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:53, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, the article does need some improvement, but it's entirely proper and appropriate for an electoral district to have a standalone article that lists the (inherently notable per WP:NPOL) people who held it — and conversely, it's entirely improper and inappropriate for the nominator to have preemptively wiped out the member table, replacing it with a partial analysis of the provincewide results in one specific election. 1941 Manitoba general election is the place for what the nominator tried to do here, while this article is the place to list all of the MLAs who held this seat across all of the elections in which it was contested. (That is, this article does not care about election results in Arthur or Beautiful Plains or Birtle or Dauphin or Emerson in 1941 — the article about the 1941 election cares about that, and indeed already has that, while this article only cares who specifically held Lansdowne.) This is just an old article that was created 15 years ago under old content standards — but election coverage always exists in the media, so the sources most certainly do exist to get this back up to contemporary content standards. Notability is based on the existence of appropriate sources, not on whether they're all already in the article or not — if the proper sources exist, then we do not delete the article just for not already being in better shape than it is. And the fact that you can't find sources on Google isn't proof that the sources don't exist, either: would you really expect media coverage from the 1880s to the 1950s to have been published on the web? We have to dig into archives to find media coverage that far back, not Google. And, in fact, in some cases we can simply pull over sources that are sometimes already present in the MLAs' biographies. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * By going to the archives to get it. We don't have a rule that our sources always have to be web-published; we are allowed to cite print-only sources, like books or 50-year-old newspaper articles, if we can find them. Bearcat (talk) 17:25, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree with what you are saying, it does have reliable sources, and we don't have a rule that our sources always have to be web-published. I’m asking what is the archive website that you got it from. JaneciaTaylor (talk) 18:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Second-level constituencies are deemed notable judging by previous AfDs and the contents of Category:Canadian provincial and territorial electoral districts, Category:Constituencies of the Scottish Parliament etc. Number   5  7  12:27, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


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