Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laptop theft


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Laptop theft

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This article starts non-encyclopedic with multitude of original research and rather stupid asserts. After that it's merely and howto. Please help us releave wikipedia from this stuff. → Aza Toth 21:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete How-to? Maybe. But that list of laptop thefts? Really? I find it highly unlikely that a list of important laptop thefts could be compiled, simply because there's really no such thing as a notable laptop theft. The tracking software section is essentially a list of short advertisements. At the most, this could be a subsection in the laptop article. [&#65279;flaminglawyer] 21:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed the self-referenced software in the list that didn't have WP articles on them. That should clean it up a bit... [&#65279;flaminglawyer] 21:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I just realized that, when all self-referenced software was removed, it's a one-item list. I'm just moving it down to the See Also section. [&#65279;flaminglawyer] 21:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "No such thing as a notable laptop theft"? On the contrary!  Try this one:
 * I assert that, with coverage spanning several months in multiple independent publications, there very much is such a thing as a notable laptop theft. And with coverage of the subject ranging from Simson Garfinkel, Gene Spafford, and Alan Schwartz writing about it on page 212 of ISBN 9780596003234 to the annual FBI/CSI Computer Crime and Security Surveys from 1999 to 2003 having published statistics on it, I assert that the actual subject of laptop theft is notable, too. If you don't like government figures, you can go to ISBN 9780786425952 page 104, where Safeware Insurance's claims figures for laptop theft, from 1995 to 1997, are discussed, alongside two more high-profile laptop thefts. 1999–2001 figures from Safeware are on page 196 of ISBN 9780130082756, whose discussion of the subject as a whole consumes almost the entirety of chapter 9. The PNC is satisfied.  If you want to relieve Wikipedia of this, take these (and many other) sources in hand and improve the article by writing.  Deletion is not the answer. Uncle G (talk) 00:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: This appears to be fairly well referenced, useful information. Most people who use a laptop at work get some sort of training about this and many are required to follow encryption and backup policies in case of theft. The list of notable thefts needs to be backed up with actual news stories, but I doubt those will be difficult to find. There are several content pages linking here and there could probably also be a summary in Computer crime.--RDBury (talk) 03:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added a couple of the refs listed above to the article and added refs for a couple of the 2006 incidents just to get the ball rolling.--RDBury (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I assert that, with coverage spanning several months in multiple independent publications, there very much is such a thing as a notable laptop theft. And with coverage of the subject ranging from Simson Garfinkel, Gene Spafford, and Alan Schwartz writing about it on page 212 of ISBN 9780596003234 to the annual FBI/CSI Computer Crime and Security Surveys from 1999 to 2003 having published statistics on it, I assert that the actual subject of laptop theft is notable, too. If you don't like government figures, you can go to ISBN 9780786425952 page 104, where Safeware Insurance's claims figures for laptop theft, from 1995 to 1997, are discussed, alongside two more high-profile laptop thefts. 1999–2001 figures from Safeware are on page 196 of ISBN 9780130082756, whose discussion of the subject as a whole consumes almost the entirety of chapter 9. The PNC is satisfied.  If you want to relieve Wikipedia of this, take these (and many other) sources in hand and improve the article by writing.  Deletion is not the answer. Uncle G (talk) 00:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: This appears to be fairly well referenced, useful information. Most people who use a laptop at work get some sort of training about this and many are required to follow encryption and backup policies in case of theft. The list of notable thefts needs to be backed up with actual news stories, but I doubt those will be difficult to find. There are several content pages linking here and there could probably also be a summary in Computer crime.--RDBury (talk) 03:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added a couple of the refs listed above to the article and added refs for a couple of the 2006 incidents just to get the ball rolling.--RDBury (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I assert that, with coverage spanning several months in multiple independent publications, there very much is such a thing as a notable laptop theft. And with coverage of the subject ranging from Simson Garfinkel, Gene Spafford, and Alan Schwartz writing about it on page 212 of ISBN 9780596003234 to the annual FBI/CSI Computer Crime and Security Surveys from 1999 to 2003 having published statistics on it, I assert that the actual subject of laptop theft is notable, too. If you don't like government figures, you can go to ISBN 9780786425952 page 104, where Safeware Insurance's claims figures for laptop theft, from 1995 to 1997, are discussed, alongside two more high-profile laptop thefts. 1999–2001 figures from Safeware are on page 196 of ISBN 9780130082756, whose discussion of the subject as a whole consumes almost the entirety of chapter 9. The PNC is satisfied.  If you want to relieve Wikipedia of this, take these (and many other) sources in hand and improve the article by writing.  Deletion is not the answer. Uncle G (talk) 00:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: This appears to be fairly well referenced, useful information. Most people who use a laptop at work get some sort of training about this and many are required to follow encryption and backup policies in case of theft. The list of notable thefts needs to be backed up with actual news stories, but I doubt those will be difficult to find. There are several content pages linking here and there could probably also be a summary in Computer crime.--RDBury (talk) 03:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added a couple of the refs listed above to the article and added refs for a couple of the 2006 incidents just to get the ball rolling.--RDBury (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Specific laptop thefts make the news when there are large amounts of confidential information involved. And laptop theft in general is a notable problem for which references should be available, for example regarding the technology meant to prevent theft or mitigate the damage. --Itub (talk) 21:58, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. On first impression, laptop theft would appear to be no different from bicycle theft or any other kind of theft.  But the article convinced me that there's enough material out there to warrant a separate article. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Article could do with some more examples (like the ones above) but is otherwise a good article, well referenced and helpful. Particular subject has also been in the news a lot lately. Metty (talk) 15:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.