Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry David Evans


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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:29, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Larry David Evans

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Not notable. Current sourcing is just an entry on a database, and a puffy interview in the local press which also includes contact details and pricing for his chess camp, so I assume it was a paid piece. I can't find any better sources, so can't get him over the line on GNG; article contains no claim to notability via SNG (WP:NCHESS) Girth Summit  (blether)  08:28, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom fails WP:GNG RhinosF1(chat) (status)(contribs) 10:03, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Author comment. Anybody who doesn't consider an International Master notable in a chess context is missing the boat rather badly. For comparison, as of 1980 when Larry D. Evans earned the IM title, there were, in round numbers (I am trying to get exact ones), 500 to at most 1000 IMs and International Grandmasters on earth.  By comparison, there were well over 10,000 players who had reached the major leagues of American baseball (source, go to one of the player pages there and look at the exact numbers) -- and no matter how short their careers (some very short indeed), they are notable enough to get articles if documentation on them can be found.  International Masters are in very select company in the world of chess, more select than cup-of-coffee major-league baseball players in baseball.  This is true even today, when title devaluation has increased the number of IMs and GMs to something around 5000 (http://ratings.fide.com/advaction.phtml?idcode=&title=g for the GMs, of whom there are about 1600; http://ratings.fide.com/advaction.phtml?idcode=&title=m for IMs, about twice that many) -- a large fraction of whom have earned the title since Evans.  (Current baseball total is around 20,000.)  We need more articles on IMs, particularly pre-2000 ones, not deletion of existing ones.  That should be obvious.


 * As for the sources, the FIDE page I cited is from the absolute master data base of information on titled players. It is authoritative.  The "puffy interview" serves to document what became of Evans after he retired from international play.  "Puff pieces" abound for post-career documentation of people who achieved notability during their careers.  Don't like it?  Find a better one, for example in the archives of the publication Chess Life of the United States Chess Federation. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 16:03, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. By that argument, the contributors at WP:Wikiproject Chess are collectively missing the boat. While there are no specific notability guidelines for chess, the convention recorded at WP:NCHESS is that only grand masters have assumed notability, anyone else needs to have played in certain competitions, or they have to pass WP:GNG. The article makes no claim that the subject competed in any of the listed competitions, and I can't find sources that would get him over the line on WP:GNG. My problem with the puffy interview isn't specifically that it is puffy, it's rather that it is unreliable and not independent - it looks like paid content in the local press - and so doesn't help with WP:GNG.
 * If you can dig up sources that demonstrate notability per GNG, or that he played in one of the competitions listed at NCHESS, I'll happily withdraw the nomination. Girth Summit  (blether)  17:07, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Fails general GNG and specific NCHESS requirements. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:54, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG. Is not Larry Evans (chess_grandmaster). Paleorthid (talk) 22:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability can't be established. Colin M (talk) 03:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete There are over 3000 active IMs, which is why I suspect the Chess project didn't say it was enough to show notability. He lacks the significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 16:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)


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