Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Dell Alexander


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was userfied to User:Coldplay Expert/Larry Dell Alexander, at creator's request. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 03:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Larry Dell Alexander

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None of the sources are independent; one appears to be the artist's own site, and the other two seem to be social networking sites. Therefore, no third-party indication of notability; creator claims that he is notable because he's African-American (I suppose by that he means that this article is helping counter systemic bias, but that in of itself is not proof of notability). r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 18:10, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I never said that he is notable because he is an African-American. I said that he is notabel because of his works and books. This article has also been mentioned in the Requested Articles section. That's why I made it in the first place. The other sites are not WP:MYSPACE at all.-- Coldplay Expért Let's talk  18:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * AuthorsDen and Writers.net are both websites that you can register for yourself and write a page about yourself. See AuthorsDen "Larry D Alexander, click here to update your web pages on AuthorsDen.com", and Writers.net "WritersNet is the place for writers to showcase their work and exchange ideas on the Web" and "You are a writer... Register now". These are not independent third-party sources. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 18:19, 5 January 2010 (UTC)\
 * Regardless, The article is about a semi-notable person. Apparently he is very popular in the state of Arkansas. While third party sources are missing. The article only needs a template at the top of the page for unsourced or needing third party sources. Not an AFD. This is overkill for the fact that the article is already there. What good would it do to delete it?-- Coldplay Expért Let's talk  18:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "Semi-notable" according to whom? The notability guideline says, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." I have already provided reasons why none of the sources in the article represent "reliable sources that are independent of the subject". You have provided nothing. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 18:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment He seems to have a userpage on Commons, even though he hasnt edited since 2007. Could any of this help? -- Soap Talk/Contributions 18:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that (he also uploaded some of his paintings), but didn't see anything that seemed like it would help with notability, since it's basically his CV. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 18:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Clinton Family portrait? That seemed quite notable.-- Coldplay Expért Let's talk  18:36, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Just doing a portrait of a notable person doesn't make you notable. David Shankbone had an interview with Israeli president Shimon Peres, but his article was still deleted. <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 18:43, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless. He painted a painting of the first family and gave it to them. This, along with his other paintings and books should result in hi being notable enough. There is no reason to delete this article. It already exists!-- Coldplay Expért <sup style="color:#DC143C;">Let's talk  19:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Painting the Clintons and giving it to them is hardly notable. I'm sure the president of the US gets lots of gifts from people.  If he were actually commissioned to paint the official portrait of teh first family, then it would be a different matter.  And all those books appear to be self-published through LuLu. -- Whpq (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Delete unless someone can establish WP:BIO notability. For instance, the creator in this discussion claims that he is, apparently, quite popular in Arkansas. If true, this could mean notability, but it would need to be in the article (which it isn't) and backed up my WP:RS independent sources. While I would normally agree with the creator that perhaps the article just needs to be given some time to establish sources, I don't think there's currently anything establishing notability. The article is more or less, as I see it, a rewrite of the subject's own website (though not enough to be a copyright infringement, I think). -Lilac Soul (Talk • Contribs) 09:41, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment – Much of the material in this article is copied from the sources, including the whole third paragraph. Do you, Coldplay Expert, have permission from the author to add this text to Wikipedia? If not, the copyrighted material will have to be deleted or rewritten.  The left orium  11:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Much of the material needs to be copywriten and reworded. Several more sources need to be added as well. However, that doesnt mean that the article needs to be deleted. Just some re-wording and a few more WP:RS.-- Coldplay Expért <sup style="color:#DC143C;">Let's talk  11:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the third paragraph. Feel free the rewrite it in your own words (Close paraphrasing may be useful to you).  The left orium  11:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:Plagiarism may be a useful guideline as well. (Thanks for catching that, Theleftorium, I hadn't noticed it.) <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 14:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you stop attacking me Rjanag? Thanks. Im sorry for the copyright violation. OK? Look Can I just tag the article for deletion and move it to a subpage of mine?-- Coldplay Expért <sup style="color:#DC143C;">Let's talk  17:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. Attack isnt the right word. I said that I was sorry for the plagiarism and I would like to copy the article into am userpage. Then we can delete it. OK?-- Coldplay Expért <sup style="color:#DC143C;">Let's talk  17:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - the sourcing currently in the article is all self-published and does not establish notability. I cannot find any sources covering this individual.  As an auther, his books appear to be also self-published through LuLu. -- Whpq (talk) 18:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I have moved the article into a sub-page of mine and I have tages the article as . I hope that that will satisfy the current issues. If so then I would like this AFD to be closed as there will be no article in existance. Thanks-- Coldplay Expért  <sup style="color:#DC143C;">Let's talk  03:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.