Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Kelly


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 05:44, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Larry Kelly

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. A WP:BEFORE search turned up some potential sources that could help make this less of a stub - the Bethune Cookman football field is named after him, he was named to a board of directors in 2001, and he gets a blurb in this book. I don't have access to this article, either: While sources exist to show verifiability, these sources along with the two sparse ones currently in the article do not add up to WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  talk  07:23, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 13:26, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 13:26, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Daytona Beach is large enough that an article about a mayor might get kept if it were referenced well enough to actually clear WP:NPOL #2, but it is not large enough that every mayor would get an automatic presumption of notability just for existing. But there are just two sources here, which is nowhere near enough. Bearcat (talk) 18:09, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Added the references listed above, as well as a few others to the article. I also greatly improved the article formatting and added more pertinent information. I want to point out he's received tens of thousands of mentions in the Orlando Sentinel during his time as mayor, which I don't have direct access to, but definitely indicates that he was quoted and written about extensively between the 1960s-1990s. He was a major part of getting Spring Break coverage moved to Daytona Beach, including MTV's 6-week event, between the mid-80s to the early 90s, which he helped enable by appearing on television and advertising to college students around the nation to come to Daytona Beach. His actions and later regret about that was covered in a documentary called "Spring Broke". I believe he easily passes WP:POLITICIAN for "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage." However, even if you stick only to what can be easily accessed online (not a requirement for Wikipedia, but nice), he still passes WP:GNG for significant discussion in secondary sources including discussion in newspapers as well as an entry in a book about legendary figures of Daytona Beach. Lonehexagon (talk)
 * Comment Thank you for your work on improving the article. I reviewed many of the same sources you've added to the article in the WP:BEFORE search I did and even though he gets a number of mentions by the press, I did not think the coverage of him was significant enough to pass WP:GNG (many of the articles he's just mentioned, and the local election articles are often categorized as WP:MILL), so I won't be withdrawing the AfD - however if it's kept I'm happy it's better sourced now. I will note I cannot access the Daytona Beach newspaper sources, and at least one of those articles may be a feature article on him. SportingFlyer  talk  04:59, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets GNG per the work done by Lonehexagon above. Good effort! ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 23:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete another case of a figurehead mayor who is not the executive of a city. As such he has to pass the guidelines for a member of a city council, which he clearly does not pass, so we should delete the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:33, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per upgrades to article on this 20-year mayor made by User:Lonehexagon, and because the iconic status of Daytona Beach meand that Mayors o get national news coverage. New York Times: NEW FLORIDA LAW OUTLAWS DRIVING ON BEACH, "Daytona Beach and the county are conducting studies on how to end driving on the beach completely in the next few years.'We may be seeing the last of beach driving,' says Mayor Larry Kelly.  The impetus for the turnaround was a Florida Supreme Court ruling this summer that permits victims of automotive accidents on the beach to sue local governments...".E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that's not national news coverage on him - that's the city getting national news coverage, and him getting a quote in. SportingFlyer  talk  18:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's coverage of a political policy he was pushing in the national media. And do note that his efforts, first to steal Spring Break form Ft. Lauderdale, then to rein in spring break after it moved to Daytona drew regional and national coverage for years.  The aspect of the story that the press had a field day with was the fact that Leading the anti-Spring Break chorus is Mayor Larry Kelly. In 1986, Kelly went on national television with former Fort Lauderdale Mayor Bob Cox and said his city would take every student Cox cast out.  Then, when the rowdy spring break crowd came to Daytona, he spent years trying to get rid of them. E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - Not only is he the longest serving mayor of a well known city, but Kelly also made contributions to the development of the state and local tourism industries, including the promotion of (and backlash against) modern Spring Break, an event that was synonymous with Daytona Beach for decades. Scanlan (talk) 03:01, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


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