Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Masters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to CakePHP.  MBisanz  talk 17:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Larry Masters

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Biography of a non-notable person. Previously declined for A7 CSD. No Google news results and only a few trivial Google book mentions. Article depends entirely on primary sources. - MrX 13:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Saying he is non-notable contradicts his bio which states he founded CakePHP. At worst, redirect to that.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:43, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That claim conflicts with the account given in CakePHP: "CakePHP started in April 2005, when a Polish programmer Michal Tatarynowicz[3] wrote a minimal version of a Rapid Application Framework in PHP, dubbing it Cake.[4][5][6] He published the framework under the MIT license, and opened it up to the online community of developers. In December 2005, Larry Masters and G. J. Woodworth founded the Cake Software Foundation to promote development related to CakePHP."'  More to the point, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED.  Even if the subject actually did create a notable piece of software, that by itself would not make him notable.  We still require sources about him.  Those sources do not appear to exist.  Msnicki (talk) 18:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This claim is correct, there is a reasonable disconnect between the claims of the 2 articles, for which I blame myself. However, that conflict is due to a lack of specificity regarding the "history" of that subject (CakePHP). I would like to update that article, but not to seem I am simply validating the claims of the disputed one. CakePHP Community Manager 19:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Added citations and extra references to improve the article's value and credibility. CakePHP Community Manager 16:21, 23 December 2012 (UTC) — CakePHP Community Manager (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete. Lacks reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO.  Googling turns up nothing, exactly as expected given the mundane claims offered by the article.  Further, the article appears to be autobiographical, having been created by an WP:SPA with obviously special access to the subject, e.g., the photo and other details about the subject that don't appear anywhere else online.  Wikipedia is not for WP:PROMOTION.  Msnicki (talk) 18:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am unable to contest these arguments. Sources are lacking on the subject of the article due to "his" lack of interest in being in the public spot-light. The main reason for the article was due to many requests within and outside of the CakePHP community for information regarding the "person" in question. We feel that Wikipedia is the most appropriate source for unbiased information on this public figure. "He" also does have a commercial interest in the CakePHP framework, which has been specifically excluded from the article to avoid a conflict of interest over it's encyclopaedic value. I would like to provide more sources if possible. CakePHP Community Manager 19:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There's already a CakePHP website, so if indeed you're getting buried by requests to know more about this person and he's that important to the organization, why not up a page there and be done with it? Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, nor is it a web host.  For more on what's required to keep a page, please read Notability (people).  Msnicki (talk) 20:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to review this and provide feedback. If the decision is indeed taken to delete the page we will consider your suggestion until the ability to provide more substantial information is possible. However, in the event of the page remaining, we will also do our best to provide more sources to support the bio. Larry Masters has been an influential figure in the PHP community, especially regarding frameworks, so I do still feel an article regarding him is relevant, with the hope being more people would be able to provide input on his career. CakePHP Community Manager 21:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Who is "'' we'"? see WP:NOPR--Hu12 (talk) 23:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am an active member of the CakePHP community, "'we'" in this sense refers to the voluntary contributing members of this community. I have NOT been compensated in any way for the creation of this article or it's content. I have already stated my reasons behind it's creation (and accept that those reasons may be insufficient in compliance with Wikipedia's fair and respectable terms). I also understand the point of view that my involvement with the related subject, and the public figure who is the subject of the article, and that this may raise concerns over a possible conflict of interest. These are concerns which I accept as valid, as I have no objective way to prove my impartiality towards the content of the article. CakePHP Community Manager 00:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Here on Wikipedia, impartiality and personal knowledge don't actually matter because most editors are anonymous. More important, under our policy of WP:No original research, that's not how we decide things.  We decide things based on what the sources say, i.e., WP:Verifiability, not truth.  At AfD, what matters is whether there are sources to support notability.  My personal rule of thumb is that it takes a couple articles that are actually about the subject in  reliable sources by authors not connected to the subject to establish notability.  Msnicki (talk) 00:46, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. insufficient coverage from secondary sources--Hu12 (talk) 23:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 02:25, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)




 * Delete insufficient independent coverage. -—Kvng 04:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.