Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Williams (basketball) (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus. ansh 666 05:11, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Larry Williams (basketball)
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Revisiting this since the prior AfD did not receive the proper turn-out to address the notability issue. Firstly, Williams never played a single game on a significant professional sports team; hence he fails WP:NHOOPS. On closer examination of the sources, we find they are mainly passing mentions which fall short of WP:GNG. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:51, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Per nominator since he did not play in a single professional game. Meatsgains (talk) 17:35, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - A short Google search turned up a couple articles about him that were note already on the page, a rather indepth one in the Japan Times and another on spin.ph. -- Dammit_steve (talk) 18:11, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * With the amount of commentary by Williams himself in those examples, I would almost consider them WP:PRIMARY sources. The rest of the sources in the article, as I mentioned, were in passing, not in-depth by any means.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep The article is messy, but that's true of many articles on Wikipedia. I think Dammit steve's links would traditionally count for establishing notability. Williams didn't write those articles himself; journalists decided which quotations to use in the articles and decided how to construct the narratives. I wouldn't say that most streetballers are notable, but some streetball events, like the And1 tour, had a sizable fanbase. I think we at least have enough evidence that Larry Williams isn't just some random guy posting videos of himself on the internet; he had some genuine fame in the streetball world. Zagal e jo^^^ 19:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:13, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for basketball players.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong keep- Everything I can find signifies that he is a notable streetball player and pop culture presence. He easily meets GNG. Google results list him as a streetball legend and icon. Just because he didn't play in the NBA doesn't mean he is not notable. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  17:46, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * To put another way, I think more people will look up Williams than would look up some member of the 1993 New York Knicks who appeared in one game off the bench. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  17:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, yes it does per WP:NHOOP...and I demonstrated why he does not "easily pass GNG".TheGracefulSlick (talk) 17:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As per the sports notability page "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (e.g. the general notability guideline, or other, topic-specific, notability guidelines)." That is, failing to meet NHOOPS only means that it does not pass that specific measure of notability. I have found a lot of coverage of the individual and he certainly seems notable to me, and that explains my vote. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia  ᐐT₳LKᐬ  18:52, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 18:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


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