Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lassen Lodge, California


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  23:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Lassen Lodge, California

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Article cites only one source which is a weather station webpage; fact attributed to said source fails verification. (Where does the "hamlet" designation come from?) The Lassen Lodge, CA Facebook page suggests that Lassen Lodge was a "historic former mountain resort", as does the page for Lassen Volcanic National Park. (A quick scan of Tehama County newspapers via Newspapers.com turns up the sale of the 630-acre roadside resort in 1968 and a passing mention of a Lassen Lodge Fire Station in 1971.) There is also a Lassen Lodge Hydroelectric Project, but it seems disingenous to represent any of these as a hamlet in California deserving of its own article. Does not meet WP:GEOLAND or WP:GNG. Should also mention that I deleted a huge amount of text on this page which was unencyclopedic, lacking any citations, and read like WP:OR or like a hoax – see for yourself here. The only real WP:ATD I can think of are to either redirect to the volcanic national park page, or to rewrite this entire article to be about the historic resort rather than as a geographic location, but I don't think there are enough sources to justify a standalone resort page per WP:NCORP. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and California. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or Draftify: The massive amount of detailed (and totally unsourced) content you deleted could make for an encyclopedic article, but not without proper sourcing, which we don't have at the moment. I would support re-creating the article if and when such sources are found.  (Also, thank you for your edits; I found this article a few weeks ago and had been meaning to clean it up or PROD, but looks like you beat me to it). WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 23:41, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nomination. TH1980 (talk) 00:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it's a total hoax. Although one might start off thinking that:
 * I tried to find either of the Henri Joris: no joy.
 * I tried to find Sylvanus Giles Tully: someone of that name got married in a genealogy, with no connection to California mentioned at all; no joy.
 * I tried to find Bill Swart: no joy.
 * I tried to find the Red Bluff Daily News articles from 1939 and 1940, or any mention of Lassen: no joy.
 * I looked for the "1985 Memories article about Ethel Lesher", introduced in the prose with no explanation: I found only a 1985 NYT article about a (possibly notable with that as at least 1 source!) Lesher House museum in Victor, Colorado; no joy.
 * I looked for Arthur Garben, and John Freitas: I found a John E. Freitas councillor of Fairfield, but no mention of a Lassen; no joy.
 * I looked for Charles and Edith Skinner: too common to narrow down, and nothing with a "Lassen" in it; no joy.
 * I looked for a "Tehama County Energy Authority conducted a study to develop a hydroelectric facility on Battle Creek" in the 1980s and only found and no evidence that there has been any such thing as a "Tehama County Energy Authority", let alone a court battle with it.
 * The two external links in the original revision of the article turn up random pictures of a Masonic lodge monument in Missouri and no applicable documents, all being false positives for Lassen County, California.
 * The one working reference in the original revision of the article goes to 1 picture of a weather station with no mention of any lodge or camp or anything existing.
 * I found the Tehama County Power Authority and a 1 sentence note by the Bureau of Reclamation that far from failing as claimed in this article it "licensed the Lassen Lodge Hydropower Project on January 30, 1986, under FERC Project 5350". This matches up with what the nominator found.
 * I found the California: Guide to the Golden State of 1939, and it does have a tour 6A and that does have a Lassen Camp. It gives it 13 words on page 532: "LASSEN CAMP (cabins, saddle and pack horses, guide service) is at 79.5 m."
 * The California: Guide to the Golden State of 1939 also notes on page 465 that a Peter Lassen, unmentioned in this article, built a Masonic Lodge, again contra this article, in Los Molinos, also contrary to this article; and that is the one connected to Missouri.
 * There is a Lassen Lodge between Paynes Creek and Mineral on the maps, but maps aren't history books.
 * The history books turn up a Lassen boy scout lodge in the neighbouring Butte County, California, which is completely unrelated to this purported lodge in Tehama county.
 * They also turn up the lodge built at the Lassen Volcanic National Park, but again that's actually something else entirely, in a different place that is not between Paynes and Mineral.
 * There's nothing about this in the Arcadia Publishing book on Tehama County, which conversely has Peter Lassen, the Lassen Peak, the Lassen Trail, and even the Mount Lassen Trout Farm.
 * In summary: I can provide about 2 sentences of verifiable information about a Lassen Camp/Lodge, one of which doesn't agree with the purported history written by (pretty much nothing in which is verifiable), and the nominator's news article adds about 2 sentences to that.  We've had 26Ki of unverifiable, and in some places verifiably counterfactual, content up for 11 years.  And it failed at AFC in 2012 and shouldn't have got into the article namespace at all.  This should not go back to being a draft.  Delete.   Uncle G (talk) 02:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - based on these 15 photos at DPLA it was definitely a mountain resort in the 1930s but hotels aren't automatically notable as far as I know so. jengod (talk) 07:42, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * it had a rumpus room (?!) and was located on the Susanville-Red Bluff Highway in case anyone every finds this AfD looking for actual info. I am worn out yall! jengod (talk) 07:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * the gonis sold to the skinners in 1954 jengod (talk) 07:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * a woman named Sylvia Schwartz supposedly built it also she had a collection of vintage hunting and fishing licenses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ jengod (talk) 08:03, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's in the GNIS bc it was something once and it was a handy landmark in the middle of nowhere along California State Route 36 and it looks like it was preceded by something called Jiggs's Camp and it was sold in 1968 after being empty for two years. Good night, Tehama County! jengod (talk) 08:13, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh you'd be shocked why some things are in the GNIS. &#9786;  Generally, after GNIS and GNIS, I just throw away GNIS information for being highly unreliable in its process and start from first principles.  Half the struggle in these AFD discussions over the years has been finding what GNIS record imports are really hiding.  And this article didn't even start as a GNIS import.  At least we started out knowing to look for a resort, not a post office, tank, survey corner, steam train watering stop, or cave. Of course, my trusting the "December 18, 1939 Red Bluff Daily News article" and "January 19, 1940 Red Bluff Daily News story" in the original text didn't even have me looking for stuff from 1954 and 1957.  &#9786; Uncle G (talk) 09:43, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Uncle G If Wikipedia can be the resource that quickly and responsibly explains to people why the dot on their Google Maps app is there, or why that sign points to any empty crossroads, or why the caravansai stopped at that watering hole instead of the one a league away, AWESOME. However...we don't yet have enough hands on deck to explain every dot to featured quality, tho, so ya gots to pick yer battles. In short, everybody (but especially you!) is doing just fine. Keep up the great work. Cheers, jengod (talk) 12:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In light of the passing mention news article, Bill Swart from the original article is evidently incorrect for Bill Schwartz. So I looked for that, too: no joy.  If there's a history of Lassen Camp/Lodge, photographed but with no meaningful captions or descriptions in the UC Davis archives, 13 words in a Federal Writers Project Guide to the Golden State, mentioned in a 1939 directory of garages for motorists as simply "Lassen Camp Garage &mdash; 7 mi W of Mineral", it isn't locatable by any of the three of us so far. Uncle G (talk) 09:09, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Taken at face value (something we definitely should not do) this place was a resort. The appropriate notability standard is WP:NCORP which this article, at any point during its existence, stands/stood no chance of meeting. FOARP (talk) 11:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. Google Earth satellite image shows just several homes. The Lassen Ranch is in the middle; they list their address as being in Paynes Creek, California.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 21:18, 6 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Geo fail. Lightburst (talk) 23:27, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


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