Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Last Call (a cappella)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

As Mr.Lenahan suggests, let's go through the criteria of WP:MUSIC. I think we can all agree that the ones we're focusing on are 1, 9 and 12 (10 refers to it being a theme or recurring music for a show). For 9, Duffbeerforme is right in saying it would be a bit of a stretch to say that AcaTunes and the like are "major music competitions". The fact that they may be "major for that type of music" (i.e. American College A Capella), as Hobit points out, isn't a listed criterion. As for 1, there weren't multiple non-trivial published works (the only newspaper given is the student paper, and the Today appearance wasn't a documentary). Finally, we come to the Today show appearance (PKT). Criterion 12 has the advantage of being pretty clear. The author makes a reasonable argument for using WP:ORG instead. Unfortunately, there are no "reliable published works". A one-off appearance as a "guest band", be it on a major show, is not a published work (a TV documentary about the band would be). If anyone can find an article in a major publication about this group (maybe someone at the New York Times watched the Today Show?), I (or any other admin) will recreate this without hesitation. yandman 08:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Last Call (a cappella)

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No reliable sources found, despite searching. Seems like an entirely unnotable singing group. Dendlai (talk) 16:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I am unable to find sources to verify notability. Their albums seem to be self-published-- I couldn't find them on Amazon.com.  &mdash; LinguistAtLarge • Talk  17:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- &mdash; LinguistAtLarge • Talk  17:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Response: This article was finally restored after being deleted for awhile, and I will be trying to update it over the next few days, especially adding references and other useful links and information. Like most a cappella groups, we do not sell on Amazon.com, though should probably consider doing so (good idea) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LastCallACappella (talk • contribs) 19:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk page. &mdash; LinguistAtLarge • Talk  20:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete nn group, fails WP:BAND or WP:N. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: no reliable independent sources WP:BAND. JamesBurns (talk) 06:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: no sources that demonstrate notability. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Update: Page has been update with more information and more sources, and at current appears to satisfy requirements for a band, in that it has won or placed in a major music competition. Remember this is an a cappella group, not strictly a band, so most of the requirements for a group to be a 'band' on wikipedia are not obtainable by any a cappella group since they are on an entirely different music circuit. In fact, most college a cappella groups are closer to 'student groups' than 'bands', and I feel they should be treated as such. So yes, if you compare Last Call to professional bands, Last Call is lacking on notability, but within a cappella I'd hardly say Last Call's achievements certainly do warrant them their own page. Therefore, I have removed Last Call as a musical artist and hope to keep them as a student a cappella group. Thanks for your consideration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LastCallACappella (talk • contribs) 14:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep- With the re-write, they certainly seem to meet notability standards. Umbralcorax (talk) 15:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Article now shows sourcing and notability. No policy-based reason left to delete as far as I can see. Hobit (talk) 18:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unless the awards or competitions are shown to be major. Independent coverage is on the trivial side. One tv appearance is not enough for me. Duffbeerforme (talk) 06:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say 2nd place in the largest contest of its type is major, and I personally would say coverage on well-known nationally broadcast TV show isn't trivial. Thoughts? Hobit (talk) 13:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per Duffbeerforme. At some universities, Cornell being one of them, a cappella groups are far from rare, and my inclination is to presume such groups non-notable unless there is clear evidence otherwise. (As an aside, the article's statement "Last Call was officially formed in 1993 by few Cornell men who felt Cornell needed a new kind of a cappella group, one that loved to entertain." sounds like an insult to the other a cappella groups at Cornell, implying that the others either don't entertain or do so only grudgingly.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Youtubes of their Today show appearance clinches it for me - national exposure.  PK  T (alk)  02:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete student club at a single school, passes neither WP:ORG nor WP:MUSIC. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  15:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.