Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laughing Jackal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. v/r - TP 00:13, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Laughing Jackal

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I could not find a single reliable source providing significant coverage of the subject. Delete per WP:GNG. Note, the subject of the article is a game development company, not a video game itself. Nor is the subject a list of video games, although it does contain one. See WP:PRODUCT and WP:CORPDEPTH. Odie5533 (talk) 08:06, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: A lot of the references I had intended to add have been contributed by Gurt Posh since the nomination for deletion. I am currently working offline on Laughing Jackal's games that are of note within the field of PSP Minis for thier high sales figures and critical acclaim, particularly OMG-Z which currently ranks 4th highest scoring game on Metacritic for all PSP games. I do hope these additions will meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability. Eldopian (talk) 08:21, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:33, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 20:34, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you please explain how you believe the additions now meet the WP:GNG? I do not believe they do. --Odie5533 (talk) 14:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Firstly I have to note that this article is not finished, the “newpage” tag was removed before I had fully evidenced the notability of the subject. The developer and its titles have received significant coverage within the videogaming industry from a variety of reliable, independent sources. Even as a smaller UK developer they have received international attention. A Google News search will display reviews and reports from French, German and American websites. Researching further I can find reviews from Australia, Italy and Spain among others, including coverage in major newspapers like the Toronto Star and The Independent. The fact that Laughing Jackal’s games currently have no Wikipedia pages do not immediately infer they are not notable – you’ve probably heard it argued to death, but “Wikipedia is never finished” – I am currently working on the articles for the titles I consider notable and have plenty of appropriate sources available for them. If it is simply the present quantity of reference sources and/or detail in the article that has resulted in this nomination for deletion then I can continue to work on the article to develop and improve it then I will consent to it being userfyed. However, I in turn fail to see how Laughing Jackal lacks the notability to warrant an entry in Wikipedia. Eldopian (talk) 09:05, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This deletion discussion is about the company, not the games. I agree, some of the games are notable and should have articles. I do not believe the company itself is notable. --Odie5533 (talk) 01:08, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete and Userfy per WP:PRODUCT: "Note that a specific product or service may be notable on its own, without the company providing it being notable in its own right. In this case, an article on the product may be appropriate, and notability of the company itself is not inherited as a result." and WP:CORPDEPTH as I don't feel the references provided describe the company itself in enough depth. I do recognise the creator's ongoing work and believe this company could in future become notable so I suggest userfying the article to the creator's namespace so that work can be continued and if/when the company can be demonstrated to clearly meet WP:CORP/WP:GNG the article can be recreated. This is a borderline case, IMHO, which is why I suggest this. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 16:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, causa sui (talk) 18:16, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep – The article and keep the games produced by Laughing Jackal within the article. Notability is established per Eldopian's citations and arguments above. It is reasonable to have an anchor article based upon the company, and include various software, games, etc. within the company article. Northamerica1000 (talk) 13:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you point me to a reference that provides significant coverage of the subject of this nomination? Unless such a reference exists, I don't see why this company is notable. The fact the company's products may be notable is not inherited by the company itself. --Odie5533 (talk) 19:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Game companies are like record companies, notable based on how successful the things they release are. Eurogamer and others do comment on the developer also at times  saying "developer Laughing Jackal seems to know exactly what buttons to press to get its audience nodding along appreciatively."  I see two games of its which have articles now with references found reviewing them, and a third one can be created with that link there for their game Vibes(see the previous page of the review at the bottom for it).   D r e a m Focus  04:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I still think the GNG requires significant coverage. From WP:N, "Note that a specific product or service may be notable on its own, without the company providing it being notable in its own right. In this case, an article on the product may be appropriate, and notability of the company itself is not inherited as a result." --Odie5533 (talk) 08:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Mentioning favorable comments about a company, covering what they produce, announcing what their next product or thing they are doing is, is significant coverage.  D r e a m Focus  11:47, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.