Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laura Bryna


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I almost closed this "no consensus" but the "delete" !voters make a slightly stronger argument. That and the copyright issues push this to the "delete" side. If someone has sources that demonstrate notability and document the claims made in the article then the best thing to do is start a new article from scratch in userspace. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Laura Bryna
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Singer of minor note - no charted music Off2riorob (talk) 10:22, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Her "Make a Wish" song was for a notable charity organizaton Make a Wish Foundation.  –BuickCenturyDriver 10:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Such a simple claim doesn't make her notable, did it chart? is that song notable in itself? If that is her claim to notability then a redirect to that location would suffice. Off2riorob (talk) 11:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * A jingle or song used by a notable organization does not establish notability of a musician. This sounds like an attempt to establish notability through inheritance of the notable organization. Take a look at it from another perspective. What if a jingle or song was used by grandpa's clock shop? Would the musician or song be notable in this situation? Of course not. Neither is the musician or song notable when used by a notable organization.  Cind. amuse  07:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is ghastly gushy and spammy, but she does appear to meet WP:MUSIC through touring (as an opening act, not a main draw) and meets the GNG through accumulated coverage (eg,  . Compared to Lisa Lavie, who's unfortunately youtube-notable, she's a superstar. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:57, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. The Patriot Ledger source is basically a "local chick does good come hear her sing" promo. The lowellsun.com archives do not offer a full copy of the newspaper article, so it's not clear what content it may support in the Laura Bryna article. The New York Magazine source is a four question interview essentially about Bryna's fashion choices. Nothing in the NYMag article supports notability. While determination of viability is subjective, the Patriot Ledger article may pass. Yet overall, this coverage does not meet the general notability guidelines, as significant. The subject may be notable through touring, but in order to meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and notability, the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true. It is not enough to make vague claims in the article or assert an individual's importance on a talk page or AfD page – the article itself must document notability. At this point, the documentation simply isn't there.  Cind. amuse  07:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Video of hers has been shown on European TV (3sat, for the German speaking countries). Country Roads is the only show devoted to country music on all free-to-air stations in Europe, and she made it to that 90min show broadcast at most 12 times a year! 132.195.109.67 (talk) 10:52, 20 April 2011 (UTC) — 132.195.109.67 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment. In order to meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and notability, the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true. It is not enough to make vague claims in the article or assert an individual's importance on a talk page or AfD page – the article itself must document notability.  Cind. amuse  07:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * note - if this promotional not notable article is kept - I am going to hack all the not notable uncited promo content out of it until it will barely exist anyways. She never had a hit of any description, the GNG, our lowest possible guideline to notability, if you are almost passing the WP:GNG you are not notable at all - the GNG is three citations with your name in it. Off2riorob (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong delete hardly notable per WP:MUSIC – most of the Ghits are for commercial sites; the article is a shameful copyright violation to boot. I'm amazed such spam found its way onto allmusic too! Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 01:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Once you remove the copyright violation, there's nothing much worthy of saving. Notability is not established through significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. As far as the music, neither the album or any singles charted. I think the tour and the appearance on Country Roads would be notable, but at this point, it doesn't appear verifiable. All in all, in order to meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and notability, the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true. It is not enough to make vague claims in the article or assert an individual's importance on a talk page or AfD page – the article itself must document notability.  Cind. amuse  07:39, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.