Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laura Shapiro Kramer


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 19:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Laura Shapiro Kramer

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Shapiro Kramer wrote one book, Uncommon Voyage, which has been reviewed by reputable outlets (e.g., Publishers Weekly), and she has some producer credits on some plays, but apart from these I can't find other secondary sources on her to demonstrate she is a notable creative professional per WP:CREATIVE. Best, Bridget (talk) 17:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Authors, Women,  and New York. Bridget (talk) 17:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. Bridget (talk) 17:40, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Based on my searches, I do not think there is sufficient support for notability in independent, reliable, secondary sources according to WP:CREATIVE or other notability guideline. For the book, the Publishers Weekly review is through the BookLife program: "BookLife Reviews are a service provided for a $399 fee ($499 for books over 100,000 words). There is no fee to submit your book to PW for review consideration." The website for the book also links to a Readers' Favorite review - based on the website, this does not appear to be a reputable source, e.g. the description of reviewers and the pricing scheme. At the WP Library, there is also a mixed review from Library Journal (Vol. 121, Iss. 11, (Jun 15, 1996): 86.) with an editor's note "Kramer has been featured in Family Circle and on Oprah; librarians should expect publicity and commensurate demand." The questionable independence of the BookLife and Readers' Favorite reviews seem to undermine the notability of the book. For her work as a producer, at Playbill and Broadway World, Slab Boys is the only role listed; the 1983 review in the New York Times is mixed and mentions her in a list of credits after the review: "The Laura Shapiro Kramer and Roberta Weissman production presented by Paramount Theater Productions, in association with Jay D. Kramer." The 1982 NYT source in the article is about Robert Allan Ackerman and describes future plans for Slab Boys - Kramer is only mentioned: "The producers are Paramount Theater Productions, Laura Shapiro Kramer and Jay Kramer." Overall, it does not appear possible to create a balanced biography with the available sources. Beccaynr (talk) 04:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete The nominator makes a compelling case for deletion, although Kramer has received some coverage of her work and career over the years. Other editors should weigh in here about whether it is enough and substantial enough coverage to merit keeping the article. I lean on the side of delete, but am open to other points of view from additional editors (or additional reliable source citations). Go4thProsper (talk) 13:04, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


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