Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laura White (singer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Flowerparty ☀ 00:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Laura White (singer)

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No notability other than her involvement in The X Factor (UK series 5) so WP:BIO1E and WP:BLP1E apply. All the X Factor finalists have biographies at List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 5); there is nothing of note which justifies a separate article. I42 (talk) 15:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. No need for separate article at the moment. If she is signed and releases an album etc then she will probably be notable. Quantpole (talk) 22:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Her BBC coverage is extensive. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 07:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't see any reference to this Laura White on the BBC website which is not about the X Factor. I42 (talk) 10:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Evidently notable. BLP1E is not a reason to delete - please read it. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You might be surprised to note I have read the policy and understood it. There is already a biography at List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 5) which satisfies that policy, so this article should be deleted. I42 (talk) 17:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, BLP1E suggests merger in such cases, not deletion. This person is so notable that questions have been asked about her in Parliament and so it is a nonsensical suggestion that we should completely delete this article and doing so would violate our editing policy.  In any case, the 1E argument is moot because the article contains sourced coverage of her subsequent career and there is continuing coverage of her in reliable sources within the last month.  Your 1E was last year so that argument is a bust. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I am afraid you are misusing WP:PRESERVE again - that is about cleaning up poorly written material. I contend that she has done nothing notable apart from X Factor (when that was is irrelevant) so 1E most certainly does apply. I42 (talk) 18:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 1E isn't for people who have done something notable, it is for low profile people. The subject is much noticed for her own performances and so passes WP:ENTERTAINER. WP:PRESERVE tells that we don't delete material when we wish to rearrange it - we use ordinary content editing so that the contributions and edit history are respected and improved.  Deletion is both disrepectful and unhelpful and not at all appropriate in this case owning to the great notability of the topic. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Disrespectful how exactly? Quantpole (talk) 22:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It is disrespectful to an aspiring artist to suggest that their notable accomplishments are of no account. It is disrespectful to the numerous good faith editors of this article to suggest that their contributions are utterly worthless and so should be deleted.  It is disrespectful to our intelligence to suggest that BLP1E provides a reason to delete in such cases when it so clearly suggests merger. Colonel Warden (talk) 06:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You seem to be confusing wikipedia terminology of notability (for which there are various guidelines) and real world notability which is necessarily subjective. If you're concerned about the history being lost, then I personally have no objection for the article to be redirected to the x-factor page, and the histories merged. Quantpole (talk) 09:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are content with a merger, then please amend your !vote above. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Already at [], per the nomination. This article should be deleted. I42 (talk) 18:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep There are many, many news articles (several are BBC as earlier !vote KEEP pointed out) on her. --Firefly322 (talk) 03:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nearly all those articles were published within the same two months on the same subject making it a WP:1E. That search also seems to bring up lots of other unrelated Laura White's.--Otterathome (talk) 04:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please look at the sources which demonstrate the clear notability of the subject, not the irrelevant ones. For example, see Laura White sings to sell out Manchester crowd which demonstrates beyond all question the notability of this artist.  It seems absurd to claim that a person who is headlining before sell-out crowds in a major city is a low-profile person of the sort that BLP1E is intended for.  WP:POINT seems relevant. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If you read the article it is actually about the X Factor tour, of which she was part. It's still about X-Factor; it's still 1E. I42 (talk) 12:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry but an event doesn't involve multiple performances on different days. An event is a one-time occurence like a meteorite striking the earth. And in this example it becomes plain to see how specious and overzealous legalism in the applicaiton of WP:1E would require wikipedia to AFD Tunguska event. --Firefly322 (talk) 17:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree entirely. She is merley a player in the notable event which is the X Factor, no matter how long that event extends for. Articles on West End shows, for example, don't have articles on every single performer within it simply because it runs every night (and maybe even tours the provinces) - but it's exactly analagous. Right now she's simply part of the X Factor show. I42 (talk) 18:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, also fails WP:MUSICBIO.--Otterathome (talk) 04:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Since she has had multiple performances over the years, she certainly passes WP:1E. Which aspect of WP:MUSICBIO does the !vote claim she fails, specifically? For in my mind she certainly meets: criteria #4 "Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." --Firefly322 (talk) 11:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see any non-trivial coverage in a reliable source about her being on an international/national concert tour in the article.--Otterathome (talk) 11:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * According to this "X Factor star Laura White set to wow the crowds in Liverpool", she is doing engagements in advance of the X Factor Tour Live 2009. --Firefly322 (talk) 17:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That article is about her singing in the Echo Arena, and the x-factor tour is a trivial mention.--Otterathome (talk) 17:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That is perhaps the beginnings of independent notability because she seems to have been booked as herself; it's not part of her X Factor appearances. It's a step forward, but it's not a national tour and it's somewhat trivial coverage, so its still not sufficient. I42 (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


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