Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laurence Kaptain


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   - Clearly no consensus to delete so defaulting to Keep - Peripitus (Talk) 11:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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Largely unverifiable, non-notable autobiography. Romanempire (talk) 04:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. This quick search shows plenty of sources that show notability, and that the article is verifiable. Kevin (talk) 04:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Is there a standard for concert musicians? They are much more likely to get press than the typical band/band member, but that doesn't mean every single soloist is notable (even if this one did play with Yo-Yo Ma). Thetrick (talk) 04:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Most professional orchestra musicians can say that they have played with Yo Yo Ma in one way or another.  That doesn't in itself establish notability.  It should also be noted that the non-fiction bibliography references have nothing to do with the content of the article.  The article in itself reads as if it was lifted straight from a concert program, and is clearly on Wikipedia as a means of self-promotion.  It should be deleted.willietanner (talk) 11:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment This page is clearly an autobiography; it ' s sole maintainer is User:LKaptain. Romanempire (talk) 04:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree that the article is dubious under WP:COI but nonetheless there might be enough notability for it to be kept under WP:MUSIC. However, that standard seems more geared towards bands than concert musicians.  Can this nom be relisted under music-related discussions? --Thetrick (talk) 12:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Changed, I think. Romanempire (talk) 09:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Romanempire, you meant "its", not "it's". M1ss1ontomars2k4 (talk) 05:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Blatant self-promotion. L0b0t (talk) 13:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Blatant autobiographical, non-npov self promotion Shoombooly (talk) 19:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep a player with the very notable groups listed is notable. Given his specialized instrument, he's not a regular member of any one orchestra, but from the information presented he's probably at the top rung of the field. There should be reviews--id the nom think to look? BTW, if all professional athletes are notable, why not all professional musicians? DGG (talk) 04:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Professional musicians need to meet different criteria for notability, as, for example, they are not followed by throngs of media writing hundreds of sports pages. Romanempire (talk) 09:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Some here are commenting that is is self-promotion. That may be so in it's current state, but that is a reason to improve the article, not delete it. Kevin (talk) 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I would agree if WP:COI weren't the only issue. I think the debate is shaping up to being a question of whether the article satisfies WP:N, and, in the larger picture, what criteria need to be met for concert musicians in general.  Romanempire (talk) 09:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.