Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laurence Shurtliff


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The result was nom withdrawn.  Singu larity  06:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Laurence Shurtliff

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Non notable person, only available source for article is a obit. Daniel J. Leivick 21:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My mistake, clearly notable. Part of the problem is a spelling issue.  Many quality references use Lawrence instead or just the nickname.  In any case nom withdrawn. --Daniel J. Leivick 18:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Was a notable member of the Grateful Dead organization. More references can certainly be found among the many published works about the band, I unfortunately do not have them any longer, but hopefully someone with them can add them.  If you google you will see that the obit was republished all over, including internationally by the BBC. Russeasby 22:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. Laurence Shurtliff was the President of the the Grateful Dead's corporation - one of the largest continuously touring music groups in history - for 20 years after first being their touring truck driver for five years.  He's been mentioned in detail in many of the numerous Grateful Dead-related books and biographies.  This article is a stub - not a dead end (no pun intended).  Stubs exist to be improved, not deleted because they're still stubs.  In time there are plenty of references and a lot more biographical detail that can be added to this article.    Jerry Garcia mentioned him in a 1972 interview in Rolling Stone.  I don't have that reference now, but it will be found.  Using his nickname, the Google search for +Ramrod +"Grateful Dead"  brings up more than 11,400 hits.  Google books search for the same phrase shows at least 11 books. And those two results are just with that one particular limited search phrase, not with proper research completed.   --Parsifal Hello 00:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * comment at least a preliminary google search should be made for an apparently unsourced article before nominating it for deletion. It saves everyone's time.DGG (talk) 04:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Update. I've made some improvements. The article now has 6 in-line references, more biographical detail, and it turns out  that Shurtliff was the co-producer of  Jerry Garcia's first solo album, a most notable accomplishment indeed. --Parsifal Hello 05:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - aka RamRod is notable per his relation to the Grateful Dead rock band. --Tom 12:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian 17:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


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