Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laurence de Valmy (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WIll salt, the consensus is that she is non-notable and will likely not become so. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Clarification: "will likely not become so" would be better phrased as "will not become so unless something changes". I cannot predict whether she will become notable in the future and should not have given that implication. Apologies-- Eddie891 Talk Work 16:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Laurence de Valmy
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Déjà vu all over again. Please see the previous deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Laurence de Valmy Vexations (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Vexations (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Vexations (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt Delete as we already had this discussion recently enough. I note that the "museum collections" mostly fail verification. The others are unverifiable private collections. CICA museum is a pay to play museum. There is little here to indicate recognition or critical success. Salt: because we do not need to go through this a third time. The article is obviously an autobiography.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:14, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt per both. Johnbod (talk) 02:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak delete she has a developed a following based on her Instagram-themed art, but the sourcing is uniformly inadequate. A few almost pass muster, Miami New Times, Blanc magazine, Le Petit Journal, although none of them are sufficient on their own or as a whole. Curiocurio (talk) 13:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails GNG and NARTIST criteria for notability. There is misleading information in this BLP. I checked the collections, and only one checked out (a non-notable private family collection), the others were unverifable. The two "museum collections" are pay-to-play. The solo shows are dubious, the first one it for a NYC gallery with the motto "One stop shop for all your artwork needs"; the second is to an activity center and french school with no indication it even has a gallery; the third "Gallery" seems to be a restaurant in Paris, not a gallery at all. Salting may be appropriate as it will probably be recreated again. Netherzone (talk) 13:44, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * she was listed in another page so I thought it was worth a page. sorry if it is not. I didn't know about the history. I try to support women artists but I'm sure you know better.Souriredumatin (talk) 01:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * just as a clarification, it's not an autobiography. As you can check I've written on various pages. my mistake about this one, i'm still learning. maybe she will deserve a page later down the road. I had seen pages about other artists who seemed with about the same record, and I found her work interesting. That's why I published it. when I checked about her on wikipedia, nothing appeared so i didnt know it has been done once before. How to proceed to delete the page? thanks.Souriredumatin (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt I started the first AfD. This is getting ridiculous. Edwardx (talk) 20:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said, I'm sorry. I had no idea the page had been created once before. I looked for it in wikipedia and there was nothing. I even asked how to delete it. show I simply remove all the content? I'm not sure. sorry for the bother.Souriredumatin (talk) 18:21, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize as we are not talking about you. We are talking about the notability of the subject. This discussion will continue for one week total.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I know but i'm the one who created the page and with all these reactions, I felt I had broken some sacred rules of wikipedia. My mistake again for creating the page. where should i look in the future to make sure a page has not been created before? thanks for the advice.Souriredumatin (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CREATIVE (a/k/a WP:NARTIST) - no solo shows at major art galleries, no in-depth reviews. Bearian (talk) 21:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, ok for the major galleries. just for my info, what do you consider an in-depth review ? I thought these two were not bad. I'd be happy to have your feedback.

https://createmagazine.com/read/what-if-instagram-had-always-existed-a-profile-on-artist-laurence-de-valmy https://www.troisiemegalerie.com/articles/2020/7/5/a-quoi-ressemblerait-le-monde-de-lart-si-les-grands-artistes-avaient-eu-accs-instagramnbsp (this one is in french but you might be able to translate?) thanks so much! :-) Souriredumatin (talk) 00:14, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , by "major" I mean a reliable source that is itself notable. Neither of those magazines are reliable, nor are they notable themselves. I'm thinking of an interview in Vogue, Esquire, Architectural Digest, or any one of those on the List_of_art_magazines. FWIW, I can read and edit French at a basic level, but my spoken French is limited to ordering a meal. Bearian (talk) 10:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding the French troisiemegalerie.com source, it is just some guy with a website. "Après un master en Philosophie de l'Art à la Sorbonne, j'ai décidé de poursuivre mon travail d'écriture en créant Troisième Galerie." = "After my degree at the Sorbonne, I decided to further my writing work by creating Troisième Galerie". ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:29, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ok thanks for the list of magazines that's helpful. :-) Souriredumatin (talk) 19:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , not to be rude, but I consider none of these art magazines. I usually start with Artforum because their archive is comprehensive, they're not terribly paywalled and because they still do reviews of gallery shows. List of art magazines has some really terrible entries, like Saatchi Art, which should never be used. With regards to create magazine; you can tell that this is not an independent, reliable source because they charge submission fees. See https://createmagazine.com/faq Vexations (talk) 21:56, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Artforum seems like a good source indeed! I saw about the submission fees of Create magazine for their juried section. They also have an editorial that is on top for their interviews (apparently). but of course it's not artforum ;-) Thanks all for the advice Souriredumatin (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


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